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BLACK WIDOW IV

Black Widow

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pasikoivu@luu
5 stars This is really one of their better albums, great songwriting, tight arangements and Yes-like vocal harmonies. A couple of those songs are taken from sole vinyl copy but that does not really matter when songwriting is as good as it is here. Go and get it!
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Posted Saturday, February 26, 2005 | Review Permalink
philippe
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4 stars A disconcerted album if you are in Black Widow's early sound. Their unique heavy rock mixed with flute and progressive arrengements, released in a rather scary, dark, satanic atmosphere has gone. The album lets the place to softer prog rock compositions. The musical and inovative qualities are always really present with full of catchy vocals' melodies, electric organs parts and abundant acoustic elements (flute, sax). The atmosphere is very calm and sometimes deeply introspective with an epic, delicate & touchful vintage flavor. An enjoyable album despite we can regret the exciting, devil's side of the band which combined to progressive rock had contributed to their own originality.
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Posted Friday, June 24, 2005 | Review Permalink
4 stars It is the fourth work of the phantom not released until 1998 though was recorded in 19 72 "BLACK WIDOW IV". This is one of their better albums.An enjoyable album despite we can regret the exciting moment.However, why was not this album released at that time? Four stars. Excellent addition to any prog music collection.
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Posted Friday, January 6, 2006 | Review Permalink
Atavachron
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2 stars Tepid but not bad 'fourth album' from this cult heavy prog group, a stillborn record pieced together years after the tracks were recorded in 1972, taken from flautist Clive Jones' master tapes and a few from the only acetate made of 'Black Widow lV'. In a stroke of musical irony, this set would be a departure for the band, a move toward the gentler sounds of the California scene but retaining a progressive/pop sound and showing significant growth in a more mature direction away from their tongue-in-cheek coven atmosphere. Think early Tull jamming with the Byrds at a party through a sound system that had seen better days. The out of place but fun 'Sleighride' is Prokofiev's Troika at least twenty years before ELP released it and turns into a groovy organ rocker, a bit long at nine minutes and sporting one too many hippies singing in the sunshine but prog rock just the same. 'More Than a Day' is pleasant and has some nice flute and acoustic guitar, as does the draggy and queasy 'You're So Wrong'. Though 'The Waves' fails at Animals-style psych and 'Part of a New Day' is the kind of track best left off a record, placed in a tightly sealed jar and buried in a stranger's backyard. Really, it's the kind of song that moves you to actually put the donut down, get up and hit the skip switch. 'Floating' foreshadows the prog-pop of Argent and 'Pictures in My Head' borrows again from classical, and at some point the band seems to want to be Caravan, but they aren't. A lukewarm and unfinished headstone for these guys and only recommended to fans of the band.
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Posted Monday, October 1, 2007 | Review Permalink
Easy Livin
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3 stars Here's one we made (much!) earlier

Although this album was recorded in 1972, it lay dormant and unreleased for many years, only seeing the light of day in 1997. The lengthy delay was due to the fact after their near legendary debut, Black Widow had delivered two rather anonymous and consequently unsuccessful albums to CBS records, who then decided to cut their losses and drop the band. This album was therefore recorded without a contract for distribution in place. When it came to releasing the album, the band found that no label was interested in picking it up. On the plus side, it is generally acknowledged that the lack of a record company pulling the strings in the background meant that the band had a free reign to make the album they way they wanted to. The result from a prog perspective, and indeed from a musical view generally, is what amounts to arguably the band's strongest album.

We kick off rather disarmingly with Prokofiev's "Sleigh bell ride" played on organ. The use of this melody by Greg Lake as part of his "I believe in father Christmas" single may lead you to think this is a lost ELP album. The seasonal lyrics of the song are delivered through melodic high harmony vocals. The song develops through its 9 minute running time, the band sounding rather Yes like at times (an influence they were proud to admit to).

"More than a day" and "You're so wrong" are lighter, folk influenced numbers featuring flute and acoustic instruments. "The waves" and "Part of a new day" are taken from the sole existing acetate recording of the album, as the master tapes for these tracks could not be found. The sound quality though remains of a high standard. "The waves" is a moody, atmospheric piece, while the 8½ minute "Part of a new day" is the most prog track on the album. Once again, there are similarities with Yes in the overall sound, in much the same way as bands such as Starcastle wore their influences on their sleeves.

Renewed interest in all things prog, and in Black Widow in particular, led to the album eventually being made available through the small Mystic Records label in 1997. This release also includes four demos recorded by the band with vocalist Rick E. replacing Kip Trevor (who left after "Black Widow IV" was recorded). These tracks show a clear desire to find commercial success, with wispy pop melodies and harmonised singing. The songs are not without merit though, the flute and sax of Clive Jones enhancing them significantly.

In all, a decent album which would have found respect if not widespread recognition had it been released in the 1970's. I could not go as far as to hold the album up as a lost masterpiece, but if you come across it, it is worth a listen.

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Posted Sunday, October 5, 2008 | Review Permalink
ZowieZiggy
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3 stars Black Widow was a rather creative band in the early seventies. No less than four albums were composed in two year's time. And good ones!

Still, this fourth piece almost never saw the light (which would have been a real pity IMO). Due to lack of commercial success, the tapes remained unreleased during a period of no less than twenty-five years!

This is by far their proggiest effort. Almost symphonic at times: especially in the very good opener Sleighride. It is a jewel of a song based on a classical theme. Flutes, organ and sweet vocals really made this song a particular one. We are far from their debut album but since the band was capable of changing from genre without losing in quality, who can blame them?

The change is even more drastic when you listen to the pastoral More Then a Day. Some very light song at the opposite of their heavier image. This approach is confirmed during the next You're So Wrong although the chorus is backed up with fine organ work. The flute is so sweet and the band is hardly recognizable.

The psychedelic mood is also very present on this record (remember, we were in 1972). The Waves is another track which features this mood. Very much Floydian I must say. The organ work is again excellent and the flute is not shy of. This album is a very good one so far.

One of the best song from this album is the delicate Part Of A New Day. A mix between the early Genesis and a more mature Tull. Vocal harmonies are excessively well crafted and convey some folkish mood to it, even some Beach Boys sound! It is a very elegant track, a marvellous delicacy. Totally unexpected from a band categorized to be on the heavy side of the music (and who was not too much so really).

They got back to their first source of inspiration during Floating which is more in the heavy vein of their debut. It sounds pretty much psychedelic as well but it isn't the first track like this.

The last couple of songs are not so interesting but overall, it is a very pleasant album to discover. Seven out of ten.

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Posted Thursday, October 9, 2008 | Review Permalink
Warthur
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3 stars After their third album was released in early 1972, Black Widow found themselves dropped by CBS. Undeterred, in August of that year they began an earnest attempt to craft a fourth album, but were disheartened when they could not find a label willing to listen to the material they were cooking up.

Lead singer Kip Trevor eventually became so demoralised by the slump in the band's fortunes that he quit. The rest soldiered on briefly, and in December 1972 recorded a few demos with an American singer with a vocal style remarkably similar to Kip's; however, they soon concluded that Kip was right and in the industry climate at the time they just weren't going to get anywhere, and they all went their separate ways - and that was pretty much the end of the Black Widow story, bar for a brief effort at a revival in the early 2010s.

The tapes from August to December 1972 sat in the vault for a quarter of a century, give or take, when Mystic Records eventually got hold of them, slapped on an album cover, and released it as the long-lost fourth Black Widow album. Technically speaking, that's exactly what it is - though some caveats obviously apply, not least the question of whether you should really count the Rick E.-fronted tracks (making up the final four songs on this release) as properly belonging to the intended album or not. On the one hand, if you cut them out the album ends up perilously short - on the other hand, Black Widow's albums tended to be pretty short anyway, and the two different spans of recording sessions do feel like distinct and separate endeavours.

Mystic Records took the approach of regarding all of them as one album; the most recent rerelease of the album is on the Sabbat Days boxed set by Grapefruit Records, which collects basically everything the band committed to record from 1969 to 1972, and that designates the Rick E. demos as bonus tracks. My inclination is to go with the running order, because there's a very important thing happening in both sets of sessions which does give this album some semblance of thematic unity.

Specifically, what's going on here is that Black Widow are, for the first time in a good while, pursuing their own creative direction without interference from their record company. Sure, controversy creates cash - but the media storm over their Sacrifice album and the Satanically-themed live show associated with it ended up becoming a limiting factor on the band's commercial appeal, and may well have played a role in them being refused a visa to tour America.

Management started to pressure the band to tone things down, creating a rift in the group between those who wanted to stay true to their original vision and those who wanted to reach a wider audience; this led to a pair of albums, the muddled Black Widow and the much-improved (though confusingly titled!) Black Widow III where the band were deliberately trying to tone it down.

Does this mean we get a full-throated return to the dark stylings of Sacrifice here? Well... no. Musically speaking, especially on the Kip-fronted tracks from August 1972, this sounds like a development of the sound of Black Widow III, where the band started to sound a bit like 1971-vintage Yes. Here, though, they drift into a folky, mystical, witchy atmosphere which manages to percolate through into the Rick E. demos, though those songs are briefer and a bit more simple than the wistful psych-prog meditations that make up the first five trcaks here.

The cover illustration of Don Quixote and Sancho Panza here is an apt choice; in these sessions the band really were tilting at windmills, trying to put out progressive music without record company support at a time when the DIY approach that the neo-prog movement would pioneer and later waves of progressive rock would explore further and further just wasn't quite viable in the market as it existed at the time. I don't think Black Widow IV is an excellent album by any means - though it's a bit more original in vision than Black Widow III, it's sufficiently less polished in execution that I think I prefer III a touch more. Nonetheless, it's got the seeds of something good in it, and whilst it's a shame nothing grew from them at the time, it's good that the music here has been preserved for later reappraisal.

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