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    Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:33
I've noticed that on this site a lot of people seem to dislike James Labrie's singing.  I've been listening to a little Dream Theater, and I don't really see anything too wrong with his singing.  I'm not saying I really like his vocals or Dream Theater, but I don't see what's so bad about him.  I searched the site, and found a lot about how people don't like his singing, but nothing that really said why exactly they don't like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:43
It's theCheese factor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:45
OK, I'll start... He's OK if he sings in a lower register, as he does on "Train of Thought". When he hits the higher notes, though, the results are often excruciating, as in "Take the Time" (even the studio version, not to mention his utterly awful performance on "Once in a Livetime"). I'll readily admit there are much worse singers around, but I think DT would sound much better with another vocalist. He just irritates the heck out of me... I think it's a good enough explanation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:49
His singing gets terribly, terribly maudlin at times, it just smells of cheese a mile away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:50
LOL

I was thinking about starting a thread like this one. Today when I checked the forum I found three threads in one screen with the following topics:

- What to do what to do...**RUSH*** vocals
- Replacing LaBrie
- Hogarth singing Fish songs

Struck me as kind of silly, but I guess the hype of the month is 'singers you (don't) like', just like we had 'Dream Theaters you (don't) love' over the past three months. Smile

Anyway, here's my reaction to these three threads, and this one as well:

- What to do what to do...**RUSH*** vocals
    Two options: either accept Geddy the way he is and depending on your personal
    preference listen or don't. Rush without Geddy is not Rush, that's for sure after
    30 years...
- Replacing LaBrie
    Same as above, substitute Geddy with James and Rush with Dream Theater.
    Oh, and change 30 years into 'almost 26'
- Hogarth singing Fish songs
    Hogarth can sing Fish songs, but he can never replace him 1-on-1. They're two
    people, two very different persons and vocally they are a lot further apart than
    for instance John Oliva and Zack Stevens (Savatage). Accept it.
- Why don't people like James Labrie's vocals?
    Most likely because it's too over the top for some - I have to agree that he is
    close to the edge of what he's vocally capable of on some tracks, but he does
    know how to sing - and sometimes gets a chance to show it.

Well, tomorrow it's october, so I'm curious as to what next month's hype is going
to bring us... Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:53
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

OK, I'll start... He's OK if he sings in a lower register, as he does on "Train of Thought". When he hits the higher notes, though, the results are often excruciating, as in "Take the Time" (even the studio version, not to mention his utterly awful performance on "Once in a Livetime"). I'll readily admit there are much worse singers around, but I think DT would sound much better with another vocalist. He just irritates the heck out of me... I think it's a good enough explanation.
 
I hold the completely opposite side. When he's singing in his trained operatic voice he's amazing and fits the band perfectly. However, when he tries to be this tough leather wearing, James Hetfield type it's laughable. First, his voice isn't structured to be singing like that and it comes out sounding so strained, forced, and unnatural. Also, he can't get the grit or rasp needed in his voice to pull off singing like he tries on ToT for example. He had a nice return to form on some moments in Octavarium which is what made so enjoyable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 15:23
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

I've noticed that on this site a lot of people seem to dislike James Labrie's singing.  I've been listening to a little Dream Theater, and I don't really see anything too wrong with his singing.  I'm not saying I really like his vocals or Dream Theater, but I don't see what's so bad about him.  I searched the site, and found a lot about how people don't like his singing, but nothing that really said why exactly they don't like it.
 
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

I've noticed that on this site a lot of people seem to dislike James Labrie's singing.  I've been listening to a little Dream Theater, and I don't really see anything too wrong with his singing.  I'm not saying I really like his vocals or Dream Theater, but I don't see what's so bad about him.  I searched the site, and found a lot about how people don't like his singing, but nothing that really said why exactly they don't like it.
 
"i dont like his singing cause he hits high notes" <<< ridiculous...those reviews on LaBries singing are lame just dont give em any attention..
 
Now the real problem with LaBrie concerning his style is mainly after 93' injury i would say...
 
Apart from loosing his volume , what actually was the main problem with LaBrie was his lack of feeling in the songs...Thats why "Progressive Metal" fits way better in Dream Theater than "Progressive Rock", LaBrie could never be a Rock singer...i mean Neal Morse could actually be a rock singer for that matter...
 
Just an example, "TAKE AWAY MY PAIN" song from Falling into Infinity....  Freddie Mercury would have turned that song into something..LaBrie made it "another track"...that kind of sucks also...
 
So if you dont mind those 2 things and the fact he sings perfect, and uses mainly the same technique for every lyric doesnt matter if its about death, or love...than i guess its okey :)...you could say he's an awesome singer...you should also check out Leonardo The Absolute Man, or either Ayreons projects that includes him...get any of it cause it sounds pretty similar...Elements of Persuasion is also a very enjoyable disc...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 16:19
When he hits his high notes his pronounciation stops being  understandable. It just gets very annoying. He drags his notes and it is just not a pleasant sound. His singing in The Human Equation is almost bearable.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 16:39
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 However, when he tries to be this tough leather wearing, James Hetfield type it's laughable. First, his voice isn't structured to be singing like that and it comes out sounding so strained, forced, and unnatural. Also, he can't get the grit or rasp needed in his voice to pull off singing like he tries on ToT for example.[/QUOTE Equality 7-2521 However, when he tries to be this tough leather wearing, James Hetfield type it's laughable. First, his voice isn't structured to be singing like that and it comes out sounding so strained, forced, and unnatural. Also, he can't get the grit or rasp needed in his voice to pull off singing like he tries on ToT for example.[/QUOTE wrote:

 
I agree on the James Hetfield impersonations. Any of LaBrie's attempts at rapping are also quite disastrous. Some of his mannerisms when singing over mellow sections really irritate me, especially that fake vibrato he uses at low volume for dramatic effect.
 
 
 
I agree on the James Hetfield impersonations. Any of LaBrie's attempts at rapping are also quite disastrous. Some of his mannerisms when singing over mellow sections really irritate me, especially that fake vibrato he uses at low volume for dramatic effect.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 16:57
I don't like him very much because I can't hear a word of what he sings when he's singing high notes. It's very irritating. But when he doesn't wail too much he's fine, and strangely enough I like his James Hetfield impressions (although he fails at sounding like him). I also like Geddy Lee's high-pitched vocals very much (probably because I can hear what he sings).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:23
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

I've noticed that on this site a lot of people seem to dislike James Labrie's singing.  I've been listening to a little Dream Theater, and I don't really see anything too wrong with his singing.  I'm not saying I really like his vocals or Dream Theater, but I don't see what's so bad about him.  I searched the site, and found a lot about how people don't like his singing, but nothing that really said why exactly they don't like it.



easy...  I don't like the sound of his voice... and he has been SO MUCH FUN to pick on.  A microcosm of Dream Theater... great instrumental skills that sound overproduced and sterile, that is when you can actally hear them (ahem...Myung), and wasted on crappy music. LOL  You asked......Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:34
I'll admit his voice gets annoying when he gets too "metally" if you know what I mean (ie 6:00) but on the vast majority of Dream Theater's work, I just don't see everyone's complaints.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:38
I'd be interested in hearing Jeff Scott Soto sing with Dream Theater. The guy's got terrific pipes. Instead, he's singing in...Journey.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:46
He's a good singer, but not from those whose voice could be instantly recognized, at least for my ears.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 16:27
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I hold the completely opposite side. When he's singing in his trained operatic voice he's amazing and fits the band perfectly. However, when he tries to be this tough leather wearing, James Hetfield type it's laughable.


Ditto; I can't help smiling to myself when he does that. Also, he is not good at rapping. But apart from this, he is OK; not great but OK; I like his singing for example in Metropolis I.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 17:01
Initially, LaBrie's voice was very offputting for me when I checked out DT. At the time I was nearing the edge of my "Yay! 80's" phase. I was used to the high pitched vocals present in Iron Maiden. I found Images and Words in a pawn shop for like $2, so having heard good things about the band, I thought I'd give it a try. Primarily, LaBrie's voice was too nasal for my tastes. When I compared it to Maiden, I noted that the vocals in Maiden were high, but stayed clearly out of the nose; whereas DT seemed locked in them.

Within a month or two, the album worked its way out of my cd collection into the "old albums" shoebox in my closet. I eventually found my way to proper prog, not through DT, but through Opeth (found Deliverance for like $5 at On Cue's going out of business clearout in my hometown about 4 years ago.) This lasted up until last year, when I impulsively grabbed a bunch of DT tracks (I was looking for some instrumental cheese) off of my college's network. It hit the backlogs of winamp until I happened to stumble across A Change of Seasons. That changed everything; the track was incredible in every way (yes, even vocals). Listening to that enough, I got used to LaBrie's voice, and have enjoyed the band ever since.

So the moral of this story IMO (besides I've gotten some great deals on cds) is that LaBrie's voice is an acquired taste, much like Dave Mustaine's (Megadeth), Dani Filth's (Cradle of Filth), or John Davis's (Korn).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 17:09
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

I searched the site, and found a lot about how people don't like his singing, but nothing that really said why exactly they don't like it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 17:13
People don't like LaBrie because he's too talented for them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 17:21
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I hold the completely opposite side. When he's singing in his trained operatic voice he's amazing and fits the band perfectly. However, when he tries to be this tough leather wearing, James Hetfield type it's laughable.


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