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    Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:11
Whilst listening to the Marillion live album Made Again I really got the sense that under no circumstances should Hogarth ever perform Kayleigh or Lavender, he really just doesnt have the style to do these two songs justice, but are there any Fish era songs that Hogarth has or could do the justice that they deserve?

I get the feeling that he could do some really good renditionds of Gouing Under and Just For The Record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2006 at 21:44
Eh, I've never had a problem with H doing Fish material; however, I guess the further and further along I get with Marillion, the less I want to hear him doing "Kayleigh" or "Script". Some songs he does very well-- in particular "Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night", "Incommunicado", or "Slainte Mhath". All (coincidentally) from Clutching At Straws. No surprise considering that the rest of the band were headed in a different direction from Fish and the sound was more like a prequel to Seasons End.

I think they will pull out the ould Fish era stuff for the conventions, but for the most part, it's all Hogarth era nowadays. Suits me fine. I'd just as soon hear a song like "Quartz", "Neverland", or "Afraid Of Sunlight" be in there over a Fish tune.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 02:32
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I think they will pull out the ould Fish era stuff for the conventions, but for the most part, it's all Hogarth era nowadays. Suits me fine. I'd just as soon hear a song like "Quartz", "Neverland", or "Afraid Of Sunlight" be in there over a Fish tune.

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Yuk. Better they play a Fish era song rather than a song that doesn't sound like Marillion at all for the most part. Wink

I don't mind Hogarth singing Kayleigh and Lavender that mushc, though he sings the other Fish era songs much better. One song I'm always surprised they don't play anymore is Chelsea Monday, whcih strikes me as being extremely similar to a lot of the Brave material.

I still like hearing the old Marillion songs being played, so perhaps a way around Hogarth not wanting to sing certain tracks would  be to play the Fish era songs as part of another swap the band competition at conventions or just open the song up for the whole audience to sing (again only the conventions) like they did with Script for a Jester's Tear on the first Wish You Were Here DVD, which was an absolutely fantastic rendition. That way we might be able to hear some more Fish era material than the handful of tracks Hogarth feels comfortable singing.

As for non-convention live shows, I'm not too bothered that they don't choose to play any Fish stuff, even though it might help win some old fans back if they did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 08:31
I've never had any problems with H singing Fish-songs, but we got to say that it's two very different voices here, and I think H will profit on doing "his own" versions of Fish-era songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 08:54
<<Yuk. Better they play a Fish era song rather than a song that doesn't sound like Marillion at all for the most part.>>

Man, I love Quartz. It's probably one of my favorites from Anoraknophobia. Besides, the bands overall sound is vastly different that a song like "Quartz" fits in nicely with today's Marillion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 12:39
I just could never get in to H's voice or his lyrics, vocally it sounds like he has an octave range, everything is sort of in the same place all the time, and while Fish isn't technically a great singer, he's got a lot more passion and expressiveness in his voice, and on stage he is just captivating as hell. He reminds me of Gabriel in lots of ways, and his lyrics were just more compelling. The one truly awful lyric from H that sticks in my mind is from Brave "there's nothing faster than the speed of love".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:03
Are you sure it's not "nothing else has ever been as hard as love" from "Hard As Love"? Doesn't sound familiar at all.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:14
in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh pretty well but really can't reach Fish ^^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:18
It's interesting that 'Chelsea Monday' is mentioned in this thread, as it's my favourite Fish era track. I'd love to hear H sing this song, as well as 'Jigsaw' and 'Childhood's End'. While Fish is technically a better singer and more charismatic performer than H, I much prefer Marillion's later output and Fish's solo material to the so-called 'classic' Marillion era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:32
<<While Fish is technically a better singer>>

He is?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:34
<<in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh>>

I thought Hogarth does a good job on "Heart Of Lothian".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:39
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

<<While Fish is technically a better singer>>

He is?

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I agree, I don't think Fish is "technically better". H is very skilled singer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:40
Well well well... I quite like Hogie's rendition of "Lavender", though I think that "Slainte Mhath" or "Sugar Mice" suit him better... I really DISLIKE him singing "Kayleigh" on the other hand...
 
I prefer to hear Hogarth-era-songs from Marillion these days, and E-Dub's right: Better "Quartz" than a fish-era-tune, those can be performed by Fish and his band, that's the right ( better ) place, for Marillion are a different band since so many years now, just count the albums from "Season's end" to "Brave", there's so many great tunes and the past is over, guys ( a fact that I, as a confessed BJH-fan, had to learn to live with, too !!! ).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:41
OOOH MISTAKE ! COUNT THE ALBUMS FROM "SEASON'S END" TO "MARBLES" WAS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ! APOLOGIES !!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:08
I recall being on a Marillion list and somebody suggested a show where nothing was done but Fish era...and the person got lambasted. As killer as those old songs are, I know I'd be highly ticked if I went to a Marillion show and heard nothing but Fish era tunes.

And as Rupert said, to hear the old songs, it would be best to check out a Fish show.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:09
There's a FRC disc of H singing "Blind Curve" that sounds really good.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:35
Confused Fish songs you say?
 
You mean like:
 
"oh, you get a line an I'll get a pole honey
You get a line and I'll get a pole, babe
oh you get a line and I'll get a pole
and we'll go down to the crawdad hole
honey, baby mine"
 
and
 
"Oh, this is the place where the fishermen gather,
In oilskins and boots and Cape Anns battened down.
All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers,
They congregate here on the squid jigging ground."
 
or
 
"I don't want your maggoty fish
They're no good for winter
I can buy as good as that
Down in Bonavista"
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:58
Where's the photo of your water bong? LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2006 at 21:49
Hogarth is not bad, but he's not Fish. Fish has become one of my prog heroes. I want to say only Marillion w/ Fish should perform Fish-era songs, but that's unreasonable. These old songs deserve exposure, but some songs that call for Fish's expressionality and tones should not be done: Script, Garden Party, Childhood's End, Lavender, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 04:47
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:


Man, I love Quartz. It's probably one of my favorites from Anoraknophobia. Besides, the bands overall sound is vastly different that a song like "Quartz" fits in nicely with today's Marillion.

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Don't get me wrong it has some killer moments on it, but a lot of the time it feels like 'm listening to a cover of a Radiohead song. Thankfully they've filtered their influences much much better in Marbles. The only track I really really enjoy from Anoraknophobia is When I Meet God.
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