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Topic: "Tales From Topographic Oceans Sucks" Why? Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:32 |
cstack3 wrote:
Chicken Vindaloo is my own favorite!
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Lamb is my favorite vindaloo meat.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 13:32 |
Snow Dog wrote:
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I don't know why you bothered. We've all heard the story before. Many, many, many times.....
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Rick made me do it.....
The stuff about the equipment malfunctions on the tour were new to me!! Alan White getting trapped inside of the elaborate Roger Dean stage set equipment etc.
Damn, that was the only major Yes tour I missed since CTTE! They cancelled my show in Urbana, IL due to lack of truck fuel due to the Oil Embargo.
My own favorite side of "Tales" is "The Remembering," I find the composition and instrumental performances sublime. I could really do without "The Ancient." A release of Sides One and Two would have worked for me. |
Sorry I just meant the curry incident. 
Yes, the rest was interesting, I agree.  |
Hah! I knew for years about "Rick eating curry onstage during "Tales," and the rest of the band being pissed off," but I didn't have the exact menu options! Chicken Vindaloo is my own favorite!
One story I haven't seen recounted is one I read in a book somewhere, about how TFTO was conceived on a flight from the UK to the USA while the band was stoned on hash brownies!! Anyone else ever heard of that one?
Cheers, Snow Dog! 
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 13:08 |
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lazland wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^Sorry I refuse to read the Daily Mail |
Quite right - it's the most horrid, squalid, disgusting rag around. I'd rather read Dirty Desmond's tits and gossip rag. |
Lazy sir.....please define "squalid" for me.......I think I am gonna like this word and will need to add it to my vocabulary.
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- Extremely dirty and unpleasant
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As in "My daughter's bedroom is very squalid" |
Nothing compared to my son's 
Talking of which, my ten year old pride and joy has synched a few of my tracks onto his i pod and is now a declared "prog fan". He's listening to Asia's debut as I write.
My wife has just said, "what are you doing to our son?".
My response?
"Only start to worry when he listens to, and enjoys all of, Tales From Topographic Oceans!!"
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:20 |
lazland wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^Sorry I refuse to read the Daily Mail |
Quite right - it's the most horrid, squalid, disgusting rag around. I'd rather read Dirty Desmond's tits and gossip rag. |
Lazy sir.....please define "squalid" for me.......I think I am gonna like this word and will need to add it to my vocabulary.
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- Extremely dirty and unpleasant.
- Showing a contemptible lack of moral standards.
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Fantastic!!!
as in....."after that curry dinner spread, I left the toilet in a squalid state....." that would pretty much cover both definitions
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:19 |
Honestly Catcher, I enjoy
1.- Six Wives 2.- Journey 3.- Myths & Legends 4.- Criminal Record 5.- No Eartly Connection 6.- Return to the Cenre of he Earth
Much more than any Yes album except CttE and Relayer, which IMO are in the same level.
I remember when Tales was released, wasn't still a Prog fan (Hey I was 9), but all the older brothers of my friends were simply disappointed.
I recently bought the Six Wives DVD and simply love it, I listen it more than any Yes DVD
Iván
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:15 |
cstack3 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't know why you bothered. We've all heard the story before. Many, many, many times.....
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Rick made me do it.....
The stuff about the equipment malfunctions on the tour were new to me!! Alan White getting trapped inside of the elaborate Roger Dean stage set equipment etc.
Damn, that was the only major Yes tour I missed since CTTE! They cancelled my show in Urbana, IL due to lack of truck fuel due to the Oil Embargo.
My own favorite side of "Tales" is "The Remembering," I find the composition and instrumental performances sublime. I could really do without "The Ancient." A release of Sides One and Two would have worked for me. |
Sorry I just meant the curry incident. 
Yes, the rest was interesting, I agree. 
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:13 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't know why you bothered. We've all heard the story before. Many, many, many times.....
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Rick made me do it.....
The stuff about the equipment malfunctions on the tour were new to me!! Alan White getting trapped inside of the elaborate Roger Dean stage set equipment etc.
Damn, that was the only major Yes tour I missed since CTTE! They cancelled my show in Urbana, IL due to lack of truck fuel due to the Oil Embargo.
My own favorite side of "Tales" is "The Remembering," I find the composition and instrumental performances sublime. I could really do without "The Ancient." A release of Sides One and Two would have worked for me.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:10 |
lazland wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^Sorry I refuse to read the Daily Mail |
Quite right - it's the most horrid, squalid, disgusting rag around. I'd rather read Dirty Desmond's tits and gossip rag. |
Lazy sir.....please define "squalid" for me.......I think I am gonna like this word and will need to add it to my vocabulary.
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- Extremely dirty and unpleasant
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As in "My daughter's bedroom is very squalid"
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:08 |
Catcher10 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^Sorry I refuse to read the Daily Mail |
Quite right - it's the most horrid, squalid, disgusting rag around. I'd rather read Dirty Desmond's tits and gossip rag. |
Lazy sir.....please define "squalid" for me.......I think I am gonna like this word and will need to add it to my vocabulary.
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- Extremely dirty and unpleasant.
- Showing a contemptible lack of moral standards.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:24 |
twosteves wrote:
As a Yes fanboy--and Wakeman fan---I think you have Wakeman's solo career pretty much exactly right---2 good--4 listenable---most of his solo stuff as with Anderson---is overall very mediocre to bad---they need some other fellows (howe, squire, bruford, white) to make their music sound good. |
On CD that I have studiowise and including Journey I count 6 good ones, 2 I would toss, and one unimpressive religious themed one.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 22 2011 at 11:25
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:02 |
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One thing I noticed about the thread starter Progistoomainstream. He starts polls and threads but very rarely comes back and joins in. See for yourselves. Almost Trollish behaviour but there is no word for it. |
He makes the threads as a joke.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:52 |
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With all due respect to M.Wakeman, it's very easy to understand why he didn't like TFTO (when he recorded it, because I read that he changed his mind since then). Listen to Wakeman's discography. On the more than 80 albums he released there is 2 good, 4 listenable and 74 pure boring pieces of crap. And there is no one of them, good ot bad, that get just a bit close to the pure genius that is TFTO!
While I loved CTTE, TFTO just changed my life...forever!
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As a Yes fanboy--and Wakeman fan---I think you have Wakeman's solo career pretty much exactly right---2 good--4 listenable---most of his solo stuff as with Anderson---is overall very mediocre to bad---they need some other fellows (howe, squire, bruford, white) to make their music sound good.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:49 |
One thing I noticed about the thread starter Progistoomainstream. He starts polls and threads but very rarely comes back and joins in. See for yourselves. Almost Trollish behaviour but there is no word for it.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:45 |
^ I like a few of Wakeman's albums, like a lot. But none match up to the brilliance of TFTO. The common comment is too much filler but I cannot imagine liking it any more if it was shortened in any way. What would be cut?
Side 2 and 3 seems to be getting the most flak. OK side 2 is a bit calm and easy going. Tranquil even, But you need it because side 3 is awesome!!!! And youy get some amazing Howe acoustic work! What the hell more could you want?
Edited by Snow Dog - November 22 2011 at 10:47
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:20 |
^ Ivan.....I am a huge Yes fan, from way back in the day (as a lot of older listeners here are). What they were doing was magical at that time. Tales as a new release in 1973 was over the top for sure, bombastic, epic...too long. Those are all correct descriptions, but if you were a Yes fan back in the day that album was simply magical.....It may have taken me 14 bowls of grass  to understand it...but it was and still is amazing  .
And because I am a Yes fan I tried very hard to enjoy Wakeman's albums when he started that.......he is a very difficult listen, a lot of his material is very, very boring. Six Wifes and Journey/Center Earth are IMO the only tolerable recordings. when I play them they end up being just back ground music for me as I am doing something else.
And off topic, but I also found this to be the case with Uli Jon Roth, when he left Scorpions and went on that spacey, angelic, trancendental musical journey.....way too boring. And I am a huge Scorpions fan and Roth fan, amazing guitarist he is.
So it does not always work........maybe if Wakeman would have embraced what Yes were doing at the time, he would have had more fun and put everything he had into Tales, and all the critics would have written something different.......But to me it seems as though one man's attitude/comments (back in the day) affected an album.
Ivan maybe I am totally off base, you are the symphonic expert, but from years past its just how I feel........
I love the album, always have always will.......(all 4 sides) 
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:27 |
danielfortin wrote:
With all due respect to M.Wakeman, it's very easy to understand why he didn't like TFTO (when he recorded it, because I read that he changed his mind since then). Listen to Wakeman's discography. On the more than 80 albums he released there is 2 good, 4 listenable and 74 pure boring pieces of crap. And there is no one of them, good ot bad, that get just a bit close to the pure genius that is TFTO!
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Oh please, have you ever checked when the best Wakeman albums were released?
Tales was released in 1973
Rick Wakeman released: - The Six Wives -1973
- Journey to the Centre of the Earth - 1974
- Myths and Legends - 1975
- No Earthly Connection - 1976
- White Rock - 1977
- Criminal Record - 1977
- 1984 - 1881
Affirming he changed his mind since Tales is absurd (don't believe everything you read), because he started releasing his best albums from 1973 until 1981.
BTW: Calling crap what we like is some sort of disrespect...Don't you believe?
Iván
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 07:02 |
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I think Jon was just jealous because you can't eat a curry and sing at the same time.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:34 |
I think Jon was just jealous because you can't eat a curry and sing at the same time.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:26 |
Don't listen to Wakeman, as he was just peeved that he was being taken down from his glittery pedestal. He was always disappearing up his own shaft and the band were not interested in more of his bombastic piano solos. I like his work with the band but it was becoming very self centred and TFTO put the record straight. Yes were taking on new territories boldly and deserve recognition for that achievement.
As quoted in my review: The album divides loyalties among critics right
down the middle, love it or loathe it. Suffice it to state that the album is
not designed to appeal to everybody and raised the hackles of the music
industry due to it's over indulgence in prog excess. Perhaps it is the peak of
over progging an album. The thing has 4 monsters that devour entire sides of
vinyl, and music companies were less than impressed. But Yes soldiered on
relentlessly and proudly with their behemoth, performing it in its entirety on
the stage to baffled audiences, and effectively transformed the way people
perceived music. Does it have to be 3 minute pieces for the radio? Obviously
not. Can we have 2 albums with only 4 songs? Obviously yes. Someone had to do
it and Jethro Tull enjoyed parodying it on his opus Thick as a Brick. When is
too much of something simply too much? Yes created the concept of the
'Topographic' category of albums.
The album has taken on a life of it's own creating
it's own folklore, the term used by music artists is to create their own
'Topographic' album. What are they talking about? The peak of success, the
album that all others are measured against. A work of art that becomes the
pinnacle of success, yet it is widely hated. Yes were taking huge chances with
the album content, would people want an album of 4 massive epics? Furthermore,
nobody understood the lyrics, though you will hear critics rattle on about some
ancient religious new age Shastric Scriptures mumbo jumbo that Anderson seemed to
be obsessed with, reading the "Autobiography of a Yogi" as a
launching pad for the themes. The lyrics effectively become as surreal as the
music, as inseperable as Howe's guitars and Squire's bass, and there are some
wonderful lyrical moments with mantras, chants and estranged singing,
"Nous Sommes Du Soleil", Anderson creating his own mythology, here at
his bombastic best, translating it as, "We love when we play."
The music is essential in every sense of the word,
it even divided the band itself, Wakeman took off on extended leave such was
his angst over the musical direction. And it signified the end of a Yes era
with Wakeman out of the picture. The caped wonder actually was so bored during
one concert performance that he had his roadie order a chicken curry vindaloo
and devoured it, much to the astonishment of Anderson, "I don't believe
it, he's eating a curry!" Wakeman scarpered for greener pastures and
eventually discovered it was found in The Centre of the Earth. Much to the
chagrin of Yes members, Wakeman loves to trash the album and for good reason as
he is virtually invisible musically.
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - November 22 2011 at 06:31
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:21 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
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Are you writing that ^ from a mental institution? 
If Tales was written in the age of CD's it could have been 60 plus minutes long and everyone would be happy---with double albums it's a nearly 90 min experience which is a hard thing to pull off and there are very few perfect double albums---but Tales has some really good stuff--- | I still have my first Tales CD and it's a double disc box set non remaster. Probably the least desirable version out there on CD and it still holds up well. If you want to cut it down, get yourself some software and edit for yourself. I'm just sayin'. Filler filler filler. You need to have some fiber in your diet. 
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Yeah I bought the double remaster CD box and it looks and sounds excellent. Its not a perfect album with one track that really grates on the nerves <cough>track 3<cough> but its still an important project that really changed the music of the 70s showing what can be possible, albums can be different, you do not need to stick to a format. At least Yes were willing to step clean outside the box and produce something remarkable. The fact that it doesn't appeal to the masses is part of the staying power of the album as a legendary piece of art. It is infamous and still is discussed today <cough>this thread<cough> so how can it be ignored... wouldn't every artist want something to make this much impact for better or worse....
The songs on TFTO range from brilliant, the opening and closing track, to mediocre, the middle section. I have heard the middle section only a few times as it is rather dull to be honest. But this is how the album plays out like a 4 act play, the stunning intro that hooks in the listener, followed by a lull in the action, a calm before the storm, almost a dreamy sleepy section, and then finally culminating in a majestic stirring epic finale. I rediscovered Ritual on the Tsongas DVD and what a version it is! The middle is sandwiched between inspired musical genius, and therein lies the problem. Were yes being too clever for their own good? The album is a testament of overdoing everything to the point of parody. Indeed, Spinal Tap parodied the lavish sets on their film. Dean's artwork was translated to the stage and practically dwarfed the band members who were lost in their own fantasised 'Stonehenge' creation. Everything on the album is upsized and overblown, even the infamous cover artwork is the best of Dean with fish swimming in dreamscape oceans, captured in enigmatic glorious vinyl gatefold. 'Relayer' brought the band back down to earth in some ways but 'TFTO' will always remain a symbol of prog excess, and it is just about the most discussed album in history. I award it 4 stars for it's sheer status in music history and for the amazing musicianship.
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - November 22 2011 at 06:35
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