Tom Waits for RIO

Deathrabbit wrote: Unrelated might be a bit strongly worded, but there are still very stark contrasts in the two styles, and one has a temporal designation as well.

I also wouldn't call it stark, compared to the other subgenres on the site. Temporal designations are irrelevant and useless.

Motley Crue for Prog Metal. 

If he joins up with Steven Wilson & Tim Bowness, they could do a project called "Tom Waits For No-Man".

Sheavy wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: The Hemulen wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: You don't necessarily have to be good to be 'Prog Related'  you could (I guess) be rubbish prog!  (Although some might say thats impossible). It's not. Re: Prog-Related, I think it's genuinely hard to point to any particular Tom Waits album and say "that's a rock album", let alone "that's a prog rock album". He's primarily a blues/jazz artist, so there's not much to get a grip on from a rock perspective. Say what you like about Blue Oyster Cult and Deep Purple, but they were rock bands and (in the case of the latter at least, I'm not all that clued up on BOC) they knew how to push the envelope when they felt like it, even if that wasn't all that often. That Tom Waits was and remains a unique and experimental force within his genre is not in any doubt, but his relationship with progressive rock is tenuous at best. I'm glad my previous post was helpful, by the way. Whatever it may seem like, we really do make informed choices when it comes to suggestions and try not to let personal taste cloud our judgement. I realise it's not always a very transparent process, but it's the best we can do.   BUT this is after all a prog rock resource.      I still don't understand why it isn't called Progrockarchives.

Edited by Andyman1125 - October 18 2011 at 18:47

Well sure, prog could also mean anything progressive. But also the subtitle of the website is "Your ultimate prog rock resource."

Edited by Andyman1125 - October 18 2011 at 19:33

I cant see it - Tom Waits is like Scott Walker =- avant but not prog.

Evolver wrote: Certain artists seem to evoke a strange fear in some members here.  Tom Waits seems to be one of them.  The Grateful Dead are another. (I am not a Dead Head - I like 3 or 4 of their albums. that's it)  The Dead have a handful of prog albums, more than some accepted bands, and without them we might not have other bands, like Phish or Umphrey's McGee.  Their influence is indeniable.

They were a big influence on Miles going fusion as well.

Only thing I have to add is I think Waits more than qualifies for related or crossover, not so much avant (because he isn't). Blood Money, The Black Rider and most of his albums since 1983 is progressive rock (as in rock that progresses, not as in complex rock), no doubt.

Surely he must have been an influence on modern American avantprog such as Bungle/Secret Chiefs 3/Estradasphere/Sleepytime Gorilla Museum/John Zorn/Marc Ribot...