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Blacksword
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 07:17 |
Jim Garten wrote:
The media also released various 'home videos' yesterday, most of which are effectively 'outtakes' from OBL broadcasts (bloopers, if you like ), but one of which showed a huddled old man they claimed was OBL watching videos of himself on a portable TV set - from the angle this was shot from, it could have been anyone & the sole purpose of this appears to be to portray OBL as a pathetic old man reliving former "glories".
If it wasn't him, it's just fodder for the conspiracy theorists, if it was him, congratulations, you shot an unarmed pathetic old man who could easily have been taken into custody & tried in a court of law. |
Obama should be doing all he can to throw water on the conspircacy theorists. Instead, it's as if he chooses to bait them; as if he's just poking fun at the whole alternative news media phenomenon. They capture the worlds most wanted terrorist mastermind, after a decade of searching, and instead of capturing him and interogating him, they throw him in the sea a few hours after blowing his brains out, while presenting only minimal evidience that any of this happened at all.
The world better make the most of all this jubilation and 'ding dong the witch is dead' nonsense. I suspect there will be a signifcant wake up call within the next 18 months, as AQ tries to assert itself after OBL's alleged death. Pakistan will be on high alert for the forseeable future, and I expect there will be terror attacks in the near future, in the west, which will be blamed on Pakistan.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 09:58 |
There is some question as to the legality of the death of Bin Laden. I say so what if they broke the law. But I think it was justified. Bin Laden was a commander in the field in a war that has lasted almost 10 years and probably will continue for another 10.
The Navy Seals who took him out trained for 3 weeks on a mockup of the compound before going in. I think it was one of the most impressive special forces operations that the public has been allowed to know about since the SAS stormed the Iranian embassy at Princess Gate in 1980. If these idiot terrorists want to keep up with their nonsense with units like the Navy Seals around then I guess they will continue to pay the price.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - May 10 2011 at 10:02
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:37 |
"so what if they broke the law"
Oh my.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:48 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
There is some question as to the legality of the death of Bin Laden. I say so what if they broke the law. But I think it was justified. Bin Laden was a commander in the field in a war that has lasted almost 10 years and probably will continue for another 10.
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Yes, since it's war, we can ignore any aspect of the law, common sense, and decency so long as we win. Oh please.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:50 |
There is a big difference between justice under the law & revenge; however, Vibe does make an interesting point here:
I think it was justified. Bin Laden was a commander in the field in a war |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:54 |
What amuses me about the knee jerk Obama opposition is that they wanted him alive so he could be tortured. Why? They got all his computer gear and stuff. Second is we shouldn't have done a raid on a sovereign country. I seem to recall that we invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Bin Laden. At least this operation didn't get us bogged down in a war.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:55 |
Jim Garten wrote:
There is a big difference between justice under the law & revenge; however, Vibe does make an interesting point here:
I think it was justified. Bin Laden was a commander in the field in a war |
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No he wasn't. There's no war declared. He was in a country in which we were not conducting military operations besides on the border.
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The T
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 11:01 |
Oh come one Pat. It's the old Nixonean philosophy: "if the president does it, it is not illegal".
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 11:10 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
There is a big difference between justice under the law & revenge; however, Vibe does make an interesting point here:
I think it was justified. Bin Laden was a commander in the field in a war |
| No he wasn't. There's no war declared. He was in a country in which we were not conducting military operations besides on the border. |
Good counterpoint  ; I guess it depends on the definition of The West's "War On Terror" as opposed to one man's terrorist being another man's freedom fighter. It could be seen as a grey area, but I do come back to my original thought that I'd have preferred OBL to have been brought to trial in a court of law...
...then again, you'd have had the whole legal process of "I don't recognise this court", "my client was not extradited legally, he was taken by military action"...
My head hurts.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 11:29 |
The T wrote:
Oh come one Pat. It's the old Nixonean philosophy: "if the president does it, it is not illegal". |
Don't give Nixon any credit. That mantra was used for a long time before Nixon made it explicit.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 11:30 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 14:12 |
I'd like to see all the crazy sh*t that they're going to pull out of his computer files but they say they have to be very meticulous about it so as not to lose anything. The guy didn't even have internet or a phone. Wonder if he had video games. Oh no I forgot he had 20 wives to keep him amused.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 10 2011 at 20:49 |
Jim Garten wrote:
but one of which showed a huddled old man they claimed was OBL watching videos of himself on a portable TV set - from the angle this was shot from, it could have been anyone & the sole purpose of this appears to be to portray OBL as a pathetic old man reliving former "glories".
If it wasn't him, it's just fodder for the conspiracy theorists, if it was him, congratulations, you shot an unarmed pathetic old man who could easily have been taken into custody & tried in a court of law. |
Uhm, actually:
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