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Topic: Bin Laden is dead.Posted By: The T
Subject: Bin Laden is dead.
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 21:47
Comment. Link to the News of the Day thread.
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Replies: Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 21:58
Does this mean we an end all the wars now?
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Time always wins.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 21:59
Better response in that thread, but holy hell....
At least can and will be said from this but I do feel good for the families, friends and loved ones of all the thousands and thousands killed. All innocent people, from many different regions. Not just from 9/11 but all the terrorist attacks conducted under Bin Laden's watch.
All those who have suffered, all those who have sacrificed can at least feel it was for something.
Coupled with the current wave hitting the Arab World...I hope to any and everything a new, good decade is ahead of us.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:00
manofmystery wrote:
Does this mean we an end all the wars now?
Not to go full out political yet, but yes....I pray this can be the start of the end. For all of it.
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:08
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:12
manofmystery wrote:
Does this mean we an end all the wars now?
No. Since the mighty Al Qaeda will react, they'll raise the terror alert. Good bye chances of getting rid of the Patriot Act. They'll turn this into more power for them. All of them.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:17
He deserved it. Hope it ends up being worth the billions of dollars and thousands of lives.
Spoiler: it won't.
I just can't look at this event with a completely go-America vibe like a more naive me would have. Osama served as a very convenient boogeyman for so many American political and military sins.
"We got him."
"What changes?"
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:19
Agreed Stoney. I feel this will be a net bad thing.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:22
Exactly Drew, it's silly to think he's been the "head" for a while now. Obviously he's not been, and anyone who honestly think "terrorism over" "we won" or "it's over without him" is...unintelligent.
I already am fearing the uber pro American sentiment that will flood but I can't believe how many are already going on about Obama's second term, leave the middle east, and coming up with conspiracy theories. There will be time for all that, and we do need to leave the Middle East NOW, but jesus christ.....for one day let's feel something good.
Because until this moment...what the f**k have we had to feel good about?
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:23
What do we have to feel good about now?
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:23
Just remembering that Al Qaeda killed innocent people around the world including in poor countries like Kenya and Tanzania, and also Spain and the UK. Even in the rich countries the majority of the victims were common people, simple workers...
Their "war" was (is) insane!
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Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:24
Truly, it's worse. At least in the past, people would rationalize that there was just one bogeyman. Now there are an unlimited number of shadow assassins to worry about.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:24
I think Bin Laden has been irrelevent over the last few years. The Moslem world, particularly the Middle East has figured out the thier own governments are the infidels, not the west.
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:25
JJLehto wrote:
but jesus christ.....for one day let's feel something good.
Better do it fast. Obama's speech will be a shining pillar of opportunism.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:28
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
but jesus christ.....for one day let's feel something good.
Better do it fast. Obama's speech will be a shining pillar of opportunism.
Absolutely right you are, but f**k Obama.
I'll hold onto it for a day, and those who were directly affected I hope will also look past the wave of BS coming and hold onto it for as long as they can.
Like I said, it is largely symbolic and it's known I don't go for that but I am only human Pat..an unimaginable amount of hell has come over the last 9 and a half years. So for one day I'm taking comfort, and I don't care.
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:34
Best Facebook status I've seen on the matter:
"Osama or Anne Frank for hide and seek champion of the world." At least that made me lol a bit.
Seriously though, I'm not really sure this is a good thing in the end.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:42
Wow they interrupted my baseball game for this stupid speech.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:43
Atkingani wrote:
Just remembering that Al Qaeda killed innocent people around the world including in poor countries like Kenya and Tanzania, and also Spain and the UK. Even in the rich countries the majority of the victims were common people, simple workers...
Their "war" was (is) insane!
Exactly!! So many innocent people, so many lives disrupted by the insanity of this man and Al Qaeda.....This needed to happen. I for one am glad this happened.....the US did not ask for this fight.
Never forget 9/11.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:45
The findings of the 9/11 commission report would disagree with you.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:47
The US pretty much picked this fight. Long ago. When they pretry much settled on holy land. And also when they armed Bin Laden. Twofold way of picking the fight.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:48
Great news,just watched Obama's speech.
The only thing that concerns me is Al-Qaeda's response.All Americans abroad are in danger,and our troops in Afghanistan are going to face some really tough times.
But he needed hunted and killed like the rabid animal he was,and we can face the consequences.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:50
cannon wrote:
I think Bin Laden has been irrelevent over the last few years. The Moslem world, particularly the Middle East has figured out the thier own governments are the infidels, not the west.
Indeed.
This doesn't have to be symbolic only for us. It's sad how horrid and idiotic our thoughts and beliefs have been towards the Arab World have been. Would be great if those fighting their own government's in the Middle East could use this to stand strong. Kinda like "yeah the old days are dead"
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:52
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:55
I thought he died like 3 years ago
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56
The US has armed everyone..this is nothing new.
Once the Soviet union self imploded Bin Laden directed his jihad against the next super power, the US. Continuing
to go after the Soviet union would have meant nothing to his followers.
We cannot understand the mind of a religious zealot.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56
I need to see the body...
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:57
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:02
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me.
So that's this "JSOP" that the news keeps talking about. Yeah, they've been saying we're going to hear that acronym a lot very soon.
Pretty much Jody, this was not a firefight obviously. It was a search and kill. Great for all the families affected that can feel some closure, but if Osama was killed in a firefight well OK....what are you going to do? Now that it seems this was a specific operation targeted to get him, I really wish he was captured, brought here, tried and forced to rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Those that are dedicated to terrorism will use this for their own purpose as well. Instead of a martyr I'd like him to be a coward, sitting in isolation and wallowing in his failure.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:12
Yes, bringing him in alive would've been so much better in every possible way...
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:16
But if you captured him alive and held him for trial what do you think would happen? Al Qaeda would plan something terrible(a massive bombing,maybe threaten to release some tasty anthrax or smallpox spores on an unsuspecting city) unless we released him.He might be a martyr in death,but I think it was better than taking him alive.
And I got the acronym wrong,it's JSOC(Joint Spec Ops Command).Pretty much takes all the best spec ops units and personnel and they work together on highly classified activities.
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:17
Bin Laden may be dead, but the war isn't over yet.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:19
Oh come on T, surely you can find a link to put in the OP, don't be so lazy. I'll even give you something. PROOFREADING!
As for the news: I am surprised. I don't know what else to say. I doubt it will have much of an impact on anything.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:21
"Usama Bin Landen"?
OP links are too predictable.
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:23
Those "We landed on the moon, but we still haven't got Osama" jokes will finally be over.
Other than that, not much will change.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:26
The T wrote:
"Usama Bin Landen"?
OP links are too predictable.
Usama is a valid alternate spelling. Landen and confrims are a bit overenthusiastic. I can't blame the writer, though, I would be shaking to get it out as quickly as possible if I were in that situation.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:29
Henry Plainview wrote:
The T wrote:
"Usama Bin Landen"?
OP links are too predictable.
Usama is a valid alternate spelling. Landen and confrims are a bit overenthusiastic. I can't blame the writer, though, I would be shaking to get it out as quickly as possible if I were in that situation.
There's probably typos in both my news-breaking posts as well .
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:31
TheProgtologist wrote:
But if you captured him alive and held him for trial what do you think would happen? Al Qaeda would plan something terrible(a massive bombing,maybe threaten to release some tasty anthrax or smallpox spores on an unsuspecting city) unless we released him.He might be a martyr in death,but I think it was better than taking him alive.
And I got the acronym wrong,it's JSOC(Joint Spec Ops Command).Pretty much takes all the best spec ops units and personnel and they work together on highly classified activities.
Ah it was JSOC! I thought what you said sounded off but figured you were probably correct over the moronic air heads we call the media
I don't know, it's the greatest damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Me personally, I wish he was captured alive since it seems that may have been possible, and as for retaliation? I can't see his being killed/captured alive having an impact on that. also remember, it's more than Al Qaeda. There are more out there than we can know, most operating outside of Al Qaeda completely.
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:31
It's big news, of that there is no doubt. But I'm highly skeptical that it will change anything on the ground. He's already a martyr, and you know how strong the discourse of the martyr can be...
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:41
Yeah, it's terrorism. It can't be defeated.
You can defeat an army, a country. You can completely overrun it and set up a new government. But you can't defeat an idea. Only possible way that can change is through a long, long natural process.
Anyway, I hope to this can be the beginning of the end. Start leaving Afghanistan and Iraq now. Leave the whole Middle East, and let the natural albeit painful process finally begin.
Edit: Also wonder when, if it all, we'll get details about it. It happened in Pakistan...meaning either the government knew we were doing so, or we just snuck in and did so. We hear about how Pakistan has been more and more helpful in aiding the US, wonder if they knew about this little operation.
Or did we go Sam Fischer on them?
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:53
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I thought he died like 3 years ago
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't wait till October of next year to announce this.
Any Colour You Like wrote:
Bin Laden may be dead, but the war isn't over yet.
The Military Industrial Complex has to keep on churning, after all. There's too much money moving around to stop now.
Not only are we still fighting that war but we still have Iraq to worry about and a brand spanking new war in Libya that is even more senseless and difficult. This should grab the attention away from NATO killing one of Gaddafi's civilian sons and several grandchildren.
Maybe after the hoopla has died down American's will really start demanding an end to the bloodshed, though, considering this is why the majority of American's think we're still over there.
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Time always wins.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:59
manofmystery wrote:
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't wait till October of next year to announce this.
The truth of when he was really killed would come out eventually and that would be devastating.
Maybe after the hoopla has died down American's will really start demanding an end to the bloodshed, though, considering this is why the majority of American's think we're still over there.
I have been hearing reports over the past years about how Bin Laden is increasingly irrelevant to al-Qaeda and terrorists everywhere, so I doubt it. We'll just start talking about whoever replaces him as the figurehead of evil.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 00:01
Well, the self inflated gods are talking to us lowly people, live on the street of NYC.
Let's see what they say about this all.
oh lord, as I was typing this the interviewer cut the guy off. Mid sentence just said "thanks" and back to the studio. And he was talking to a 9/11 survivor..... OK, I've gotten the story. Time to turn the news off for now.
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 00:02
Henry's right, there is no end to this as long as little Muslim kids continue to take up the cause.
Trauma is a solipsism, and the circle will just keep on rolling.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 00:25
Like I said, you can't defeat an idea and it will never go away. But the healing process can't even start while we are there, if anything made the situation worse. I am crossing every finger that we will indeed leave both our wars and hopefully, pull all our bases and let the process begin. People in the Arab World want the change, this would be a perfect time for the US to do something right.
On the flip side, we don't know officially yet but it sounds like Pakistan did not know about this operation...
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 00:44
This is not a shop. My mind is blown.
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 00:52
Hahaha.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 01:00
1337 tweets, ending with the biggest news of them all?
That Bama is slicker than we thought.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 01:47
Also, http://duke.a-13.net/" rel="nofollow - I guess we need to add declaring Osama Bin Laden the number one enemy of the United States, finding, and killing him to this list.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-body-headed-for-burial-at-sea-officials-say.html" rel="nofollow - They're burying him at sea, CONSPIRACY THEORIES GO
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:33
and I believe Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead..
it's very bizarre seeing a burning luxury compound, looks like Lifestyles of the Rich&Famous gone wrong
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:37
I feel this won't change much....
------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:39
Henry Plainview wrote:
Also, http://duke.a-13.net/" rel="nofollow - I guess we need to add declaring Osama Bin Laden the number one enemy of the United States, finding, and killing him to this list.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-body-headed-for-burial-at-sea-officials-say.html" rel="nofollow - They're burying him at sea, CONSPIRACY THEORIES GO
GAHH!! IT'S NOT REAL! WHY HIDE THE BODY! WHAT'RE THEY HIDING!
------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:48
JJLehto wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me.
So that's this "JSOP" that the news keeps talking about. Yeah, they've been saying we're going to hear that acronym a lot very soon.
Just released by the White House awhile ago,the forces involved in the op were Seal Team Six and the CIA's own elite paramilitary force Special Activities Division.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:49
himtroy wrote:
GAHH!! IT'S NOT REAL! WHY HIDE THE BODY! WHAT'RE THEY HIDING!
WHERE'S THE DEATH CERTIFICATE? WE WANT THE LONG FORM DEATH CERTIFICATE!
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:56
JJLehto wrote:
On the flip side, we don't know officially yet but it sounds like Pakistan did not know about this operation...
They didn't,and it doesn't matter,because no border would stop us from going into another country and getting him.
Now there is speculation that Pakistani military and intelligence leaders not only knew where he was,but also sheltered him from us.I don't doubt it,the compound is in a town that has a military academy and is home to 3 Pakistani army regiments and thousands of military personnel.
Pretty fishy if you ask me.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 02:58
This guy was a symbolic figurehead. This killing doesn't solve anything, indeed this could be the start of something pretty dark.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:01
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:06
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
You know what's darker than religious extremism? Religious extremism with a martyrdom clause.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:07
Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form.
Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:11
Any Colour You Like wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
You know what's darker than religious extremism? Religious extremism with a martyrdom clause.
so, basically what we've had for years just more obnoxious and self-righteous.. that's fine
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:11
Any Colour You Like wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
You know what's darker than religious extremism? Religious extremism with a martyrdom clause.
But on the other hand, al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization. They don't have a side project of making shoes for orphans that the death of Bin Laden is going to distract them from.
And for posterity, what I believe is the very first webcomic about this One for the history books.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:14
Though that comic isn't as much making fun of his death, but has some real life implications behind it. How now that he's dead peace will reign on Earth and everything will be happy!
huzzah!
First racism ended when Obama got elected, now terrorism is done. Future looks bright.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:17
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
Retribution.
There is something darker than religious extremism, and that's religious extremism with a taste for revenge.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:18
Anyway, that's a second term in the bag for Obama.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:19
JJLehto wrote:
Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form.
Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:20
Blacksword wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
Retribution.
There is something darker than religious extremism, and that's religious extremism with a taste for revenge.
And, once again: I do not see how al-Qaeda can want to kill people any more than they currently do.
TheProgtologist wrote:
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
Well at least you aren't pretending your opinion has a logical basis...
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:21
They don't want to kill people more. But it may galvanize those on the fringes, that's all.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:27
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form.
Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
OK, but what if some secret force came into the United St.....wait a second! Damn it Jody Hell, at least you are being honest and not trying to hide.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:29
Any Colour You Like wrote:
They don't want to kill people more. But it may galvanize those on the fringes, that's all.
.."those on the fringes" ? Isn't the whole terrorism thing based on the fringes? That ship has sailed, my friend, we live in a world of fringes. That's the point.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:31
Norwegian special commanding forces went in 2009 unnoticed in Morocco to nap out two kids wh were hold agianst their will at their fathers manssion, the father who is an ex olympic gold meddalist is sort of a sacred cow in marocco missusing he's power as a father and ripped of any freedom for the children they were locked out of society
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:35
Atavachron wrote:
Any Colour You Like wrote:
They don't want to kill people more. But it may galvanize those on the fringes, that's all.
.."those on the fringes" ? Isn't the whole terrorism thing based on the fringes? That ship has sailed, my friend, we live in a world of fringes. That's the point.
Mainstream terrorists denounce attack on orphanage: "We only kill adults!"
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:37
Atavachron wrote:
Any Colour You Like wrote:
They don't want to kill people more. But it may galvanize those on the fringes, that's all.
.."those on the fringes" ? Isn't the whole terrorism thing based on the fringes? That ship has sailed, my friend, we live in a world of fringes. That's the point.
No, I meant those individuals who aren't insurgents now may heed the call.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:39
Atavachron wrote:
Any Colour You Like wrote:
They don't want to kill people more. But it may galvanize those on the fringes, that's all.
.."those on the fringes" ? Isn't the whole terrorism thing based on the fringes? That ship has sailed, my friend, we live in a world of fringes. That's the point.
world of frings sounds like a good album title
and yeah now terrorist have even more stuff to fuel up and suopport their terrorist actions. what if it happens on
2012 London Olympic, maybe the aztecks were right
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:41
"They got him" it said on the News. And then we sat and watched Us President Barack giving the official speech.
There were many images of Americans celebrating and I guess I can understand that. Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection. How will they dispose of the body? And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again?
Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...
A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:44
Henry Plainview wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it-- and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?
Retribution.
There is something darker than religious extremism, and that's religious extremism with a taste for revenge.
And, once again: I do not see how al-Qaeda can want to kill people any more than they currently do.
TheProgtologist wrote:
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
Well at least you aren't pretending your opinion has a logical basis...
There is no logical basis.It comes from being raised in a military family,serving in the military,and having it pounded into my head constantly that America is ALWAYS right.
Even though I am older and wiser and quite capable of thinking for myself and forming my own opinions on such things instead of having it drilled into me,sometimes that attitude persists.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:46
JJLehto wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form.
Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
OK, but what if some secret force came into the United St.....wait a second! Damn it Jody Hell, at least you are being honest and not trying to hide.
And to be honest my friend,this isn't the first time we snuck into another country with a small,elite force and took care of business.Not the first and unfortunately not the last.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:50
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form.
Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"
No
I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.
I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest.
OK, but what if some secret force came into the United St.....wait a second! Damn it Jody Hell, at least you are being honest and not trying to hide.
And to be honest my friend,this isn't the first time we snuck into another country with a small,elite force and took care of business.Not the first and unfortunately not the last.
I never knew that but I always "knew" that. Well.... Do you mean times like the Cold War days when we toppled governments at will? Or actually going in Sam Fischer style to take someone out?
Oh, and a professor I had(long time CIA career) once slipped about us going to nab Hugo Chavez...and quickly tried it to play it off Of course we failed on that one.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 03:56
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection. He will be. If he was captured alive though and rotted in jail the cause would probably still be empowered. Maybe maybe not as much...
How will they dispose of the body? Supposedly burying it at sea.
And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again? No way to know, but I 100% believe something will happen....
Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...
A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case.
Indeed, it is all symbolic and wont hurt AQ at all, not to mention those that operate outside AQ are totally untouched.
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:09
JJLehto wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection. He will be. If he was captured alive though and rotted in jail the cause would probably still be empowered. Maybe maybe not as much...
How will they dispose of the body? Supposedly burying it at sea.
And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again? No way to know, but I 100% believe something will happen....
Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...
A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case.
Indeed, it is all symbolic and wont hurt AQ at all, not to mention those that operate outside AQ are totally untouched.
That all makes sense... thanks!
My thoughts are:
Bin Laden was the face of evil so who will replace him? He bombed Tanzania locales all those years. Then the massive 9/11 operation of course made him a household name.
His death is a symbolic blow but the catalyst for a new wave of terrorist attacks unfortunately. The AQ may want to show the world they are still a force to be reckoned with. AQ is now a franchise with offshoots worldwide under different pseudonyms especially AQ in the Arabian Peninsula.
He can be replaced by the Egyptian born surgeon that worked for him. This is the scenario on the news anyway.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:12
Our Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said regarding Bin Ladens death:
"On this day everyone will remember where they were when they heard that Bin Laden is dead."
She welcomed the news, but warned "AQ still poses dangers for Australians."
"We will continue the mission in Afghanistan."
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:16
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection. He will be. If he was captured alive though and rotted in jail the cause would probably still be empowered. Maybe maybe not as much...
How will they dispose of the body? Supposedly burying it at sea.
And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again? No way to know, but I 100% believe something will happen....
Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...
A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case.
Indeed, it is all symbolic and wont hurt AQ at all, not to mention those that operate outside AQ are totally untouched.
That all makes sense... thanks!
My thoughts are:
Bin Laden was the face of evil so who will replace him? He bombed Tanzania locales all those years. Then the massive 9/11 operation of course made him a household name.
His death is a symbolic blow but the catalyst for a new wave of terrorist attacks unfortunately. The AQ may want to show the world they are still a force to be reckoned with. AQ is now a franchise with offshoots worldwide under different pseudonyms especially AQ in the Arabian Peninsula.
He can be replaced by the Egyptian born surgeon that worked for him. This is the scenario on the news anyway.
thier is always this guy names Ayman al Zawahiri who is the REAL head of al'Qaeda who is stil livnging and active in Egypt
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:18
Oh dear.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:20
They already seem to know who #2 is (and I suppose the heir to AQ now) Edit: Agi has presented the name. Yes, it is more than 9/11 and the US. Bin Laden is responsible for killing many across the world, going back for years.
AQ has become disjointed, but that actually makes it even more difficult. Like a tapeworm, it broke up but each piece continued to live and can operate on it's own. Now AQ is decentralized! Which is always more difficult to deal with.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:24
we have a living breathing Mullah in Norway the formar head of Ansar al Islam
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 04:26
Also, all this makes me question these wars more. Apparently this
operation was based off many months of intelligence gathering and tip
offs, and obviously didn't require the US army.
We seem to know who's
next in line to lead AQ.
For years various US agencies were piecing together the puzzle, in the
months before 9/11 the FAA got a bunch of warnings of terrorist attacks,
there was the infamous memo to George W Bush a month before about
planes probably being used in a terrorist attack! Which he didn't read. Not to mention numerous tip offs from various countries about AQ and a large attack.
We even caught Ramzi Yousef and KSM once and uncovered a plot to hijack planes (7 I think) and fly them into buildings all over the US!
The intelligence that can be gathered is amazing! Using that, I don't
see the need for wars. The world can pull its resources and hurt these
organizations in secret, but without elite forces sneaking around.
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Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 06:21
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 06:49
So we spent over half a trillion dollars, and nearly 10 years looking for the guy? Well, it's about f*cking time.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:12
Ok I'm just hearing about this.
He'd been out there for so long he was about to die of old age.
But at least it's knocked the royal wedding out of the coverage.
Even if he really was the one behind the 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, something pretty much none of us can actually know personally, that he wasn't apprehended or killed shortly after those attacks made him just a little bit of a recruiting tool for Al Q.
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:16
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
My thoughts are:
Bin Laden was the face of evil so who will replace him?
He doesn't need to be replaced. As far as the day-to-day running of the terrorist organisation is concerned, I don't know if he's had much to do with that in the last few years.
As a poster boy for suicidal terrorists he's much more attractive now. He's gone from Mr Hide-in-a-cave to Mr Died-for-the-cause.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:37
Oh crap it's back. Can we please launch some drones at the royal wedding coverage?
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:40
Slartibartfast wrote:
Oh crap it's back. Can we please launch some drones at the royal wedding coverage?
Tactical nuke strike.
You'll thank us someday, Britain.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:44
Oh well, at least we now know why the royal blissfully married couple didn't take a foreign honeymoon
Second term secured for Obama, potentially masses of trouble in retribution for the martyr, but, in truth, it is very difficult to feel sorry for such a mass murderer.
Also, how the hell did he manage to hide so close to the Pakistani authorities??
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:46
he had an invicible cloak
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:49
lazland wrote:
Also, how the hell did he manage to hide so close to the Pakistani authorities??
HOW, INDEED?
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 07:55
SolarLuna96 wrote:
So we spent over half a trillion dollars, and nearly 10 years looking for the guy? Well, it's about f*cking time.
Not quite. Sadly all that time and money spent on the War in Afghanistan was largely unrelated. This came from 7 years of intel gathering, resulting with a single specific campaign called for by Obama, using a special force almost outside the military.
It supposedly took 40 minutes. Unfortunately, all that proves how pointless the war was.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 08:06
Also, everyone on the internet who's not American (and some who are) can get off their damn moral high horse about not celebrating a person's death, which has been the argument raging across the entire fricking internet. I've lived almost half my life in the shadow of this man, give us one day of America F*CK YEAH before you condemn us as monsters with no empathy (as if the people in your countries are more than human and don't feel anger or revenge).
I wasn't even really celebrating (to be honest I was never afraid of terrorism), but I am normally enthusiastic about pissing on people's parades.
stonebeard wrote:
lazland wrote:
Also, how the hell did he manage to hide so close to the Pakistani authorities??
HOW, INDEED?
It's almost as if....
And aginor, don't post things in a language that nobody else speaks!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 08:17
no one exept 4.790 900 people + some swedes and danes, other then that note taken :D
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 08:24
I think it will be interesting to follow the outcome of this, their have been some reactions from this in Hamas, and they critisized the attack,
it is good they got what they were hunting fro in 10 years. he have been a thorn in the US Govrmts toes
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 08:25
aginor wrote:
no one exept 4.790 900 people + some swedes and danes, other then that note taken :D
And how many of them are members of this forum? Clearly I meant nobody in the most literal sense possible.