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The Pessimist 
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 Topic: Three brutal and disturbing british masterpieces
Posted: October 12 2008 at 18:13 |
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I'll go with the grossly underated Scum. Probably one of Ray Winstone's best performances, the dark atmosphere and gritty truth of it all hasn't been topped yet IMO.
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crimhead
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Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:03 |
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In it's day "Clockwork" was disturbing but by today's standards it is tame.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:13 |
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^ I disagree
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BaldJean
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:39 |
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I must admit I have never seen "Scum" or "Straw Dogs", so I can't judge. but is any of these movies as brutal and disturbing as "Viva la Muerte!" (another masterpiece, but not British) by Spanish surrealist Fernando Arrabal? "A Clockwork Orange" certainly isn't
Edited by BaldJean - October 14 2008 at 03:41
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:15 |
OK, it's not British, but it does have Malcolm in it, how about a shout out for Caligula?    By the way, has there ever been a similar convergence of porn and serious cinema?
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 14 2008 at 06:18
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el böthy
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Posted: October 15 2008 at 13:50 |
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mmm to call A clockwork orange British is not exaclty right... I went with it though
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BaldJean
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Posted: October 15 2008 at 14:33 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Logan
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Posted: October 15 2008 at 14:46 |
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Clockwork Orange is my favourite of these (and for a long time was my favourite film -- it's the black comedy aspects that really elevate it for me). Straw Dogs is excellent, and I'm afraid I haven't seen Scum.
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npjnpj
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 05:31 |
Sorry, only seen Clockwork Orange, but it always seemed a bit silly.
That reminded me of a film from a few years back though, a french one, I think, which was made to look documentary-style as if a film crew were following a hit-man around to capture what his working life looked like. Interviews on the job and all. I think it was filmed in black-and-white, although I'm not 100% certain on that.
Hillarious and chilling at the same time. Anyone remember it?
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fusionfreak
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:25 |
A film from Belgium with Benoit Poelvorde,french speaking title:C'est arrivé prés de chez vous.Nice one!
I understand you find Clockwork Orange silly.Some may find it kitsch but I still think,regardless clearly outdated stuff,it is a masterpiece.Different tastes always make great debates!
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npjnpj
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Posted: October 17 2008 at 02:07 |
YES, thank you, that's it. In England it ran under the title: 'Man Bites Dog'.
As for Clockwork Orange: Perhaps I'd have to see it again, it's over twenty years ago and possibly my opinion would be different now.
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Posted: October 17 2008 at 07:20 |
Scum ~ it was more disturbing and brutal than Clockwork Orange for me because it was more "real" and therefore more realistic. Fantasy, however dark, is never as disturbing as reality. Clockwork Orange could, but probably never would happen (however, I do realise it is a parody of gang-culture and the mentality that created the Droogies exists in many youth-cultures in the past and today). However I do not doubt that the violence depicted in Scum does happen on a regular basis in Prisons, Borstals and Approved Schools.
Ray Winston and a sock-full of billiard balls - one of the most shocking scenes in British cinema.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: October 19 2008 at 08:45 |
 Dean wrote:
Scum ~ it was more disturbing and brutal than Clockwork Orange for me because it was more "real" and therefore more realistic. Fantasy, however dark, is never as disturbing as reality. Clockwork Orange could, but probably never would happen (however, I do realise it is a parody of gang-culture and the mentality that created the Droogies exists in many youth-cultures in the past and today). However I do not doubt that the violence depicted in Scum does happen on a regular basis in Prisons, Borstals and Approved Schools.
Ray Winston and a sock-full of billiard balls - one of the most shocking scenes in British cinema.
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I found myself cheering at the TV screen at that very moment. Nobody messes with Ray, NOBODY!
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 09:55 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ I disagree
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So do I. I watched it again about a week ago, and I still found it very disturbing. Very good though.
Scum is a horrible film. I challenge anyone to not be disturbed by some scenes. Especially the ents that unfold in the green house.... 
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fusionfreak
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 07:15 |
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By the way,is it possible to find it in DVD?I won't be bothered by an english version,PAL of course.Thanks in advance.
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