Three brutal and disturbing british masterpieces
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Topic: Three brutal and disturbing british masterpieces
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Three brutal and disturbing british masterpieces
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 18:13
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I'll go with the grossly underated Scum. Probably one of Ray Winstone's best performances, the dark atmosphere and gritty truth of it all hasn't been topped yet IMO.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:03
| In it's day "Clockwork" was disturbing but by today's standards it is tame. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:13
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^ I disagree |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:39
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I must admit I have never seen "Scum" or "Straw Dogs", so I can't judge. but is any of these movies as brutal and disturbing as "Viva la Muerte!" (another masterpiece, but not British) by Spanish surrealist Fernando Arrabal? "A Clockwork Orange" certainly isn't
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:15
OK, it's not British, but it does have Malcolm in it, how about a shout out for Caligula?    By the way, has there ever been a similar convergence of porn and serious cinema? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 13:50
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mmm to call A clockwork orange British is not exaclty right... I went with it though
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 14:33
there have been a few, like Alejandro Jodorowski's "Montana Sacra" ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 14:46
| Clockwork Orange is my favourite of these (and for a long time was my favourite film -- it's the black comedy aspects that really elevate it for me). Straw Dogs is excellent, and I'm afraid I haven't seen Scum. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 05:31
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Sorry, only seen Clockwork Orange, but it always seemed a bit silly.
That reminded me of a film from a few years back though, a french one, I think, which was made to look documentary-style as if a film crew were following a hit-man around to capture what his working life looked like. Interviews on the job and all. I think it was filmed in black-and-white, although I'm not 100% certain on that.
Hillarious and chilling at the same time. Anyone remember it?
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:25
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A film from Belgium with Benoit Poelvorde,french speaking title:C'est arrivé prés de chez vous.Nice one!
I understand you find Clockwork Orange silly.Some may find it kitsch but I still think,regardless clearly outdated stuff,it is a masterpiece.Different tastes always make great debates! ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 02:07
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YES, thank you, that's it. In England it ran under the title: 'Man Bites Dog'.
As for Clockwork Orange: Perhaps I'd have to see it again, it's over twenty years ago and possibly my opinion would be different now.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 07:20
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Scum ~ it was more disturbing and brutal than Clockwork Orange for me because it was more "real" and therefore more realistic. Fantasy, however dark, is never as disturbing as reality. Clockwork Orange could, but probably never would happen (however, I do realise it is a parody of gang-culture and the mentality that created the Droogies exists in many youth-cultures in the past and today). However I do not doubt that the violence depicted in Scum does happen on a regular basis in Prisons, Borstals and Approved Schools.
Ray Winston and a sock-full of billiard balls - one of the most shocking scenes in British cinema.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 08:45
I found myself cheering at the TV screen at that very moment. Nobody messes with Ray, NOBODY! ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 09:55
So do I. I watched it again about a week ago, and I still found it very disturbing. Very good though. Scum is a horrible film. I challenge anyone to not be disturbed by some scenes. Especially the ents that unfold in the green house.... 
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 07:15
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By the way,is it possible to find it in DVD?I won't be bothered by an english version,PAL of course.Thanks in advance. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |