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lildabaduye
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 15:53 |
Is this thread forum still active? It should be. ELP were great and made major contributions, despite bombst and inconsistencies.
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 06 2009 at 03:20 |
I agree with you that ELP were inconsistent, but they were untouchable at their best (Brain Salad Surgery). Even the Beatles had their off-days, just listen to Revolution No. 9 on the White Album.
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Roland113
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Posted: July 06 2009 at 12:27 |
Thought I'd chime in here, just read the first five pages and I'm honestly somewhat amazed at how polarizing ELP was.
Apparently I'm in the minority in that I like both Genesis and ELP, I would personally put them at 1 and 2 respectively on a list of 'my favorite bands f the 70's'.
I became a keyboard player based on both Banks and Emerson which, now that I think about it, is just about as opposite as two players could get. I see how one could consider Genesis and specifically Mr. Banks cold and aloof. I saw Genesis three times and I believe Tony Banks nodded his head a couple of times during the We Can't Dance tour.
Emerson on the other hand amazed me with his antics. I saw him twice (Three and Emerson, Lake and Powell), and he inspired me to get one of the remote keyboards.
I'm happy to see that they've made it to the top 100 with two of their albums at least, I agree with the supporters that they should be higher than the mid fifties, but still, that's an improvement over when the thread had started.
My thoughts on why they're underrated echo some of the others in this thread. In the scope of rock music over the years, there have been, most likely, more guitar players than any other instrumentalists. Guitar players are usually competing with one and other for bands, jobs and such. The last thing that they'd want is more competition from a keyboard player. A keyboard fronted rock band would just plain alienate many of the guitarists who had already been trying to get people to pay attention to them.
I still prefer Genesis, but ELP is a great band and Keith Emerson was one of the greatest keyboard players in rock music history.
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sam81292
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 20:40 |
I first founded ELP in December 2008 and loved their music ever since, I've got their first 4 albums (not Pictures...) and consider them all masterpieces.
Some of my friends (who call themselves ''Grungers'', but really just listen to bands like Green Day and Creed) shunned them away from the first notes that they heared from them. claiming that they were not even close to a rock band, but some keyboard pop crap.
Edited by sam81292 - July 07 2009 at 20:53
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jammun
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 21:07 |
sam81292 wrote:
ISome of my friends (who call themselves ''Grungers'', but really just listen to bands like Green Day and Creed) shunned them away from the first notes that they heared from them. claiming that they were not even close to a rock band, but some keyboard pop crap. |
Ha ha ha I think that very argument was first expressed a little over 30 years ago. Nice to know nothing changes.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 22:31 |
And did those feet, in ancient times...
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 15 2009 at 12:16
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verslibre
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 23:23 |
lildabaduye wrote:
Is this thread forum still active? It should be. ELP were great and made major contributions, despite bombst and inconsistencies. |
Do you have Keith Emerson's 3CD collection of film score works, At The Movies? It's excellent...Nighthawks, Harmageddon, etc.!
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 08 2009 at 07:57 |
I don't have a copy, but I remember liking the Nighthawks film and soundtrack. It made me wonder why Emerson did not produce more film music. In fact I often wonder why he did not continue with ELP after their Victory Records reunion.
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Drummerboy
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 11:56 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
Do you know if there is avilable a record like: "The Royal Philarmonic orchestra plays ELP"? (Invented title)
I know Queen and Pink Floyd had their songs covered by an orchestra. |
I've got a few of those orchestra covers prog band albums. Seem like there is no point for that when it comes to ELP.
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ELP are beyond orchestras, I heard BSS played by a Japanese Marching Band, in Tokyo, marching on St. Patrick's Day. Not making this up. It sounded great, too.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:17 |
I do like the stuff where the band has worked with an orchestra though.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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XunknownX
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 23:07 |
To me, their debut, "EL&P" is at least twice as good as any other of their other albums. And beware, I think "Works, vol. 2" is perhaps their second best.
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 13:51 |
Emerson, Lake and Palmer's best albums for consistency are Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery. The first album and Tarkus are next. Pictures at an Exhibition is Ok but I live for the day when they release the full Royal Albert Hall version. Works Volumes 1 and 2 contain good tracks (Pirates, Brain Salad Surgery, I Believe in Father Christmas), but were/are disappointing overall. Love Beach is like a close friend whose faults I can live with. Letters From the Front is a great ELP track.
Take That have shown that a group can reform with their dignity intact. I would rather have one ELP back than a thousand new groups.
PS. Works Live is a better album than you might expect. Keith Emerson's keyboard solo on Fanfare for the Common Man is excellent.
Edited by Big Ears - July 19 2009 at 13:54
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Pekka
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 14:10 |
I just noticed there's two sample tracks in the archives from Tarkus, wonder why that is?
During summer I had bought Black Moon and Works volume 1, and today I finally listened to both for the first time. I liked parts of Works, mainly Emerson's side and the band side, but Black Moon felt pretty bad. Emerson's lone piano parts were very fine and there were a couple of tracks I quite enjoyed (Affairs of the Heart and Footprints in the Snow), but the production and the less than memorable material filling most of the album effectively ruined the experience. Perhaps I'll listen to it again some day. Right now I'd rate it perhaps lower than Love Beach.
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Lodij van der Graaf
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 03:34 |
Their masterpiece really is Tarkus.
Emerson, Lake & Palmer never made a solid album. Everyhting released left weaker spot. For instance, the highly-acclaimed Brain Salad Surgery still includes weak materials like "Toccata" and "Karn Evil 9: Second Impression". They are great though, really. But it's unbalanced with their stronger numbers like "Jerusalem", "Still... You Turn Me On" and "Karn Evil 9: First Impression". Trilogy too, it has my most-hated tracks, the nonsense "Abaddon's Bolero", though I like "The Endless Enigma", "Trilogy" and "From the Beginning" a lot!
The most balanced and solid one, I think, is Pictures at an Exhibition. Maybe it's one of the greatetst musical adaptations from a band.
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 05:26 |
I'm sorry, Toccata and Karn Eval 2 are not even comparitively weak tracks. They demonstrate ELP's abilty to experiment throughout the album without failing. Abaddon's Bolero is not nonsense at all. As an adaptation of Ravel's Bolero, it is difficult to play because it has two beats - one on top of the other. Remember, this was recorded by three musicians before the wholesale use of computers. Pictures at an Exhibition was improved in the early nineteen-nineties, but not released in its entirety. Frustratingly, In the Hot Seat had a shortened version. Does anyone have Greg Lake's home or email address, it's about time I complained directly!
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Lodij van der Graaf
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 07:06 |
Yes, and the side-effect of self-indulgent experiments is it, made the album weaken. Pictures at an Exhibition is always great!
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Proggy Pogo
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 07:23 |
Well, I won't be writing a review because I'm rubbish at them, but I agree Brain Salad Surgery is a brilliant album. I also really like Pictures At An Exhibition.
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 07:40 |
Sorry, I did not mean to be argumentative. Everyone has their preferences.
Edited by Big Ears - July 21 2009 at 07:41
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J-Man
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:05 |
I've been keeping an eye on this thread, so I figured it's time I put my two cents in.
I think Tarkus is their greatest album, and I am not a huge fan.
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Lodij van der Graaf
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Posted: July 22 2009 at 12:02 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
I've been keeping an eye on this thread, so I figured it's time I put my two cents in.
I think Tarkus is their greatest album, and I am not a huge fan.
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I also think Tarkus is their greatest one, and I too am not a huge fan...
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