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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 01:36
I figured recently that it's the mind set that defines prog for me... I was wondeing over the fact how artists like say, Magma, Meshuggah, Dredg and Tangerine Dream are all prog while they barely have anything in common, so I realized that true "prog" in its most direct definition is the good old classic symohonic stuff, all prog beyod that is a genre defined by the attitude an artust has towards his music than the actual music itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 01:52
I believe that despite some guidelines, logic defines Prog.
 
I found that if we are sure soimething is Prog and there's a certain degree of agreement ....In most cases is Prog
 
But if we have doubts, there's huge debates and contradictory statements.....Normaly is not Prog.
 
So leave out the fanaticism for a certain band and trust in your instincts, if you doubt, it isn't.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 02:04
what if I doubt and you don't - or vice versa? When there are huge discussions then usually many people think one way, and many others disagree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 07:44
Instinctive knowlege that an artist provides evidence of "creative freedom" within an album. By it's very nature this "creative freedom", simply put, is progressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 12:45
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

what if I doubt and you don't - or vice versa? When there are huge discussions then usually many people think one way, and many others disagree.
 
Mike, this almost never happens, even the defenders of a doubtful addition, normally accept a band is not really Prog, then they use other excuses to justify it's inclusion:
 
  1. It's influential
  2. It's influenced,
  3. It's not really Prog in the traditional sense, but they they were a step ahead of the bands of their time and that justifies their inclusion.
  4. It's Good music and I don't care about anything else.
  5. I have an open mind and you are close minded (when this excuse is used, you must be 100% sure you're in front of a non Prog band)
  6. If Iron Maiden (BOC, The Who, The Doors, etc)  is here, why not this band.
  7. I've seen a lot of less Prog bands here.
  8. M@X wants this site to be inclusive.
  9. In the early 70's people believed they were Prog
  10. And the aggressive: "You are nobody to tell me what is Prog and what is not"

Mike..........Check the list of doubtfukl aditions, and you will find in every case, one or more of this ten excuses or other less imaginative to justify an addition of a band everybdy knows is not Prog.

So I insist, when people is not sure or this excuses are given, is not Prog in most cases.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 16:14
Originally posted by Treasure Treasure wrote:

For me, it's mainly something with a higher quality of musicianship and ideas than average music. Also long songs rule.


To me it's a very simple rule: if you can't estimate when the next beat will come or what chord will be used in the next progression, then you've got progressive music.

And that makes progressive music be a very large and broad definition, as it should be by its own (again)definition.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2008 at 15:21
Originally posted by Treasure Treasure wrote:

For me, it's mainly something with a higher quality of musicianship and ideas than average music. Also long songs rule.
 
 
A song is a song is a song...
 
But "Embellishments" with possible influences from Medieval,  Renaissance & Classical Symphonic form,  Debussy, Stravinsky, Jazz, & Non-Western Music.
 
In other words...Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2008 at 06:12
Highly Polished
Influenced by a higher culture than the cliched society of today
Influenced by extreme Realism
Influenced by extreme Idealism but not in a *conventional* sense persay...
Changes in the melody and/or beat
One or more unconventional instruments to have in a rock band,
 
...2 or more of the above :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2008 at 06:49
^Like Can, you mean...
 
Ooops!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2008 at 16:35
...what?
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