Megadeth?

so are there any megadeth fans out there??  I just downloaded "cryptic warnings" and theres some pretty cool songs on it, i'm not into thrash or speed metal really, I liked "secret place" "almost honest" "i'll get even" and the more melodic songs like that.

only Megadeth I can stomach is their debut... Killing is my business... and business is good. I like it's raw (kinda punky) energy.

I prefer Metallica over Megadeth actually, but Rust In Piece is really a masterpiece of thrash-metal.

TheProgtologist wrote: You are very,very misinformed Peter.Most of Megadeth's songs are extremely political,and don't really have an evil bent.In fact,Mustaine named the band Megadeth after finding out that the term megadeath was used by our government to describe the kill counts for nuclear weapons. Please stop the stereotyping.

Edited by Peter Rideout - November 06 2006 at 20:34

Peter Rideout wrote: Melodic? No band with a name like....   Nah -- too easy.   I like Uncle Sam's Flaming Napalm Death for Schoolgirls, myself.   Check it out!         What? This is a prog site, you say? Indeed!?!?

Easy, Peter ... they're not named "Melodeth".

But on a serious note: In the vast genre which is "Thrash Metal", there are two big "factions": The more brutal, less melodic bands (key band: Slayer), and the more melodic, less brutal bands (key bands: Metallica, Megadeth).

Peter Rideout wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: You are very,very misinformed Peter.Most of Megadeth's songs are extremely political,and don't really have an evil bent.In fact,Mustaine named the band Megadeth after finding out that the term megadeath was used by our government to describe the kill counts for nuclear weapons. Please stop the stereotyping.   Darn. The fun is over.   I'm not "misinformed," Jody -- just willfully ignorant.

Which is actually worse than being misinformed.

Peter Rideout wrote:   Seriously, the fact that a band might adopt such a name and bent, for the reasons you cite, does not surprise me, actually.     I know it's not all mindless evil and profiting from youthful cynicism in metal-land -- I'm just stereotyping, as you say, and teasing.

Teasing ... ok, but in a way that isn't funny. Teasing can be fun if the teaser "has a point" - but in this case you're simply out of line. I'm not offended in any way, I don't take these things too seriously anymore. But it's really annoying that you still think that prog metal is inherently childish and destructive.

Imagine someone who tried to tease Prog Rock, saying that it's all flower power nonsense, contrived by a bunch of hippies on acid, wearing flower costumes. Would that amuse you? I hope not - at least for me teasing is only funny when the arguments show that the person knows what he/she's talking about.

Peter Rideout wrote:   Why? Metal seems ever more popular here, and seems to define "prog," for more and more members. As I don't like metal, sometimes I feel a bit alienated, and old.

Ok - I challenge you to find even *one* post which claims that metal defines prog. As far as I know, there isn't one. I have yet to meet a prog fan who thinks that prog metal is more progressive than prog rock ... yet from time to time this accusation is made by prog rock purists.

Peter Rideout wrote:   From the outside, it just all seems so darned DARK and depressing, though.... I like music to lift me up, generally. Different strokes....

Dark and depressing (and aggressive) - of course. But many metal styles (especially prog metal) also feature the other extreme, and most bands actually achieve a good balance. But why are these attributes so bad? Without them, how could light, uplifting and peaceful styles be appreciated?

Contrast

Contrast is one of my most favorite aspects of music. I love artists who are able to use the complete bandwidth of emotions in their music - and metal is particularly useful to show aggression, brutality and darkness. Listen to Ayreon - The Human Equation ... metal and rock in perfect symbiosis.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 07 2006 at 05:42

It's not a fight, it's a discussion ... and that is what I come here for (obvious hook for a Monty Python joke here).

"I think the vast majority of our younger members (who are our largest demographic) come here via PM, not the classic old prog bands. For the sake of argument, I believe that this site would not be NEARLY as popular/ecomomically successful, and would have a much older average member age (as it initially did) if metal were not included here -- and all because of the word "prog" (justifiably or not) being added to it."

I don't agree. I rather watch MTV if I want to know what's happening in the "young & trendy" world - and I have yet to see a video by Opeth or Dream Theater there. I know that Opeth recorded a video for their last album ... as did Kamelot, but at least in Europe they went totally unnoticed.

Prog Metal is *one* of the more recent trends in prog, but in fact I think it's already on the decline. Prog is currently moving into the Alternative/Experimental area as far as popularity is concerned, and many people discover it through Alternative Rock - like "Queens of the Stone Age/At the Drive-In -> The Mars Volta", or through "semi-prog" bands like Coheed & Cambria. Or think about Radiohead ... regardless of whether they're prog themselves, they attract people who like intelligent, thought-provoking music. Pure Reason Revolution is another obvious example ... or Space/Alt/Post Rock bands like Oceansize or Amplifier.

Anyway, Mike, if you think I'm bad , or sometimes a bit of a thorn in your metallic side, what do you think of this rather pointed, contentious post? Oh my! (Note that I didn't respond, quote it, or even applaud. But I think he makes some valid, thought-provoking points.):

Edited by Peter Rideout - November 07 2006 at 18:07