Megadeth?
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Topic: Megadeth?
Posted By: acheron
Subject: Megadeth?
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 16:55
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so are there any megadeth fans out there?? I just downloaded "cryptic warnings" and theres some pretty cool songs on it, i'm not into thrash or speed metal really, I liked "secret place" "almost honest" "i'll get even" and the more melodic songs like that.
any suggestions?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 18:41
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Nah -- too easy.
 I like Uncle Sam's Flaming Napalm Death for Schoolgirls, myself.
 Check it out!
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Melodic? No band with a name like....Posted By: Stefanovic
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 18:43
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only Megadeth I can stomach is their debut... Killing is my business... and business is good. I like it's raw (kinda punky) energy.
the closest thing to Metallica's Kill' Em All.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 18:51
Kill! Kill! Kill!
 Death is just so cool! Think I'll write a series of albums about it....But will the kids buy it, you ask? Does the pope wear a pointy hat? Does a bear sh*t in the woods? Are teens gloomy by nature? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 18:56
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I prefer Metallica over Megadeth actually, but Rust In Piece is really a masterpiece of thrash-metal. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 18:58
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You are very,very misinformed Peter.Most of Megadeth's songs are extremely political,and don't really have an evil bent.In fact,Mustaine named the band Megadeth after finding out that the term megadeath was used by our government to describe the kill counts for nuclear weapons.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 19:16
 Darn. The fun is over.I'm not "misinformed," Jody -- just willfully ignorant.
Seriously, the fact that a band might adopt such a name and bent, for the reasons you cite, does not surprise me, actually.
I know it's not all mindless evil and profiting from youthful cynicism in metal-land -- I'm just stereotyping, as you say, and teasing.
Why? Metal seems ever more popular here, and seems to define "prog," for more and more members. As I don't like metal, sometimes I feel a bit alienated, and old.
From the outside, it just all seems so darned DARK and depressing, though.... I like music to lift me up, generally.
Different strokes....
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TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: enteredwinter
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 02:20
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I'm not sure what to recommend as far as "melodic" Megadeth songs go, but you might like some stuff off of "Rust In Peace" and "Countdown To Extinction", their two best albums IMO. Oh, I just thought of a relatively non-thrashy Megadeth song you might like. "A Tout Le Monde", off of Youthanasia. Also, for their album "Risk", they (to a large extent) ditched the whole thrash scene and made more melodic, "poppy" songs. A lot of people hate that album, but I think it's alright. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 03:16
Easy, Peter ... they're not named "Melodeth".  But on a serious note: In the vast genre which is "Thrash Metal", there are two big "factions": The more brutal, less melodic bands (key band: Slayer), and the more melodic, less brutal bands (key bands: Metallica, Megadeth). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Stefanovic
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 03:19
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some thrash is quite progressive:
Deathrow, Voivod, Coroner...
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 05:39
Which is actually worse than being misinformed.
Teasing ... ok, but in a way that isn't funny. Teasing can be fun if the teaser "has a point" - but in this case you're simply out of line. I'm not offended in any way, I don't take these things too seriously anymore. But it's really annoying that you still think that prog metal is inherently childish and destructive. Imagine someone who tried to tease Prog Rock, saying that it's all flower power nonsense, contrived by a bunch of hippies on acid, wearing flower costumes. Would that amuse you? I hope not - at least for me teasing is only funny when the arguments show that the person knows what he/she's talking about.
Ok - I challenge you to find even *one* post which claims that metal defines prog. As far as I know, there isn't one. I have yet to meet a prog fan who thinks that prog metal is more progressive than prog rock ... yet from time to time this accusation is made by prog rock purists.
Dark and depressing (and aggressive) - of course. But many metal styles (especially prog metal) also feature the other extreme, and most bands actually achieve a good balance. But why are these attributes so bad? Without them, how could light, uplifting and peaceful styles be appreciated? Contrast Contrast is one of my most favorite aspects of music. I love artists who are able to use the complete bandwidth of emotions in their music - and metal is particularly useful to show aggression, brutality and darkness. Listen to Ayreon - The Human Equation ... metal and rock in perfect symbiosis. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Darn. The fun is over.
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 16:42
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Mike, I don't want a fight
(I was just being silly, and amusing MYSELF, if no one else), and I like contrast too (hey, I like VDGG -- how dark and depressing is that?) but I just can't take the speed, singing and overall sound of metal. Just not my thing. neither is hip hop, disco, etc. No big deal.Just yesterday, though, I read a post where someone -- a younger member, I think -- wrote something to the effect that "When I tell people I like prog, they say 'what, like Dream Theater, Opeth and that stuff?'" That made me cringe a bit, because a new generation would thus seem to be coming up who think that PM is what "prog" is really all about. Plus, I look at sig lists, where people list their favourite bands, and more and more seem to be all -- or mostly -- (prog) metal.
(I will try to find that post later, if you wish.)
As you doubtless know by now
, I think PM is "progressive" for metal, but I do not think it is "prog," per se, or "progressive rock." (I think you might agree -- the word prog, on its own, at least for music fans around my age, does not imply metal -- it implies classic Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Crimson, etc.) Thogh I am hardly alone (especially among others of my generation), others in positions of influence here disagree with my stance -- c'est la vie....I think the vast majority of our younger members (who are our largest demographic) come here via PM, not via the classic old prog bands. For the sake of argument, I believe that this site would not be NEARLY as popular/economically successful, and would have a much older average member age (as it initially did) if metal were not included here -- and all because of the word "prog" (justifiably or not) being added to it.
Thus, Wilco, etc, is "prog country," and belongs here, too.
"Alt country" is not here, but if industry/media folks had dubbed it "progressive country" (it is certainly "progressive" for country), it very likely would be, and then another new group of fans would flock in. tensions and misunderstandings re "our" music being watered down, or "sold out" would inevitably arise (but some good exchange/"cross-breeding" might happen, too).
(Imagine the fuss if "prog hip hop," as some have pushed for, were to be added!)
 But, in the end metal is here, and I accept reality.
 Let's not fight about it -- it's just music, and I sincerely apologize (again! ) if my teasing went over the top, and hurt or offended you or anyone else. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 16:58
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It's not a fight, it's a discussion ... and that is what I come here for (obvious hook for a Monty Python joke here). "I think the vast majority of our younger members (who are our largest demographic) come here via PM, not the classic old prog bands. For the sake of argument, I believe that this site would not be NEARLY as popular/ecomomically successful, and would have a much older average member age (as it initially did) if metal were not included here -- and all because of the word "prog" (justifiably or not) being added to it." I don't agree. I rather watch MTV if I want to know what's happening in the "young & trendy" world - and I have yet to see a video by Opeth or Dream Theater there. I know that Opeth recorded a video for their last album ... as did Kamelot, but at least in Europe they went totally unnoticed.Prog Metal is *one* of the more recent trends in prog, but in fact I think it's already on the decline. Prog is currently moving into the Alternative/Experimental area as far as popularity is concerned, and many people discover it through Alternative Rock - like "Queens of the Stone Age/At the Drive-In -> The Mars Volta", or through "semi-prog" bands like Coheed & Cambria. Or think about Radiohead ... regardless of whether they're prog themselves, they attract people who like intelligent, thought-provoking music. Pure Reason Revolution is another obvious example ... or Space/Alt/Post Rock bands like Oceansize or Amplifier. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:58
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Here's the post that "set me off," Mike:
I agree with the comment about the prog label. I love music that sounds good, makes me feel something, makes me think, or is just really well written. Whether it is prog or not has absolutely no relevance to me. It just so happens that a good portion of the music I like falls into the prog category (but a lot doesn't... I like punk, metal, rock and some pop as well). I don't like how people force labels onto things (such as a band) and then criticize them when they don't adhere to it. A perfect example of this would be Porcupine Tree. They started out as a progressive space rock band and have evolved into a barely progressive pop/art-rock band, and the entire time their music has been fantastic, partly due to the fact that it's constantly changing. Yet "prog" fans get all worked up over the fact that they aren't prog anymore and make mainstream sounding music. I can't stand that. If you don't like a band's music, then just say that and don't make up some lame excuse about them not fitting into the niche you decided they were a part of.
As a side note, it seems like the "prog" label can turn a lot of people off of something. A few times I've recommended some music to friends, and when I said it was progressive they immediately reacted with "Oh god that Dream Theater crap? I hate that!" I love Dream Theater, but their popularity has definitely done some harm to prog's reputation. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:04
Anyway, Mike, if you think I'm bad , or sometimes a bit of a thorn in your metallic side, what do you think of this rather pointed, contentious post? Oh my! (Note that I didn't respond, quote it, or even applaud. But I think he makes some valid, thought-provoking points.):
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Posted: Yesterday at 20:55Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:09
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Peter, I was amused, and I agreed.
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