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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:36
Originally posted by SolariS SolariS wrote:

Originally posted by NotSoKoolAid NotSoKoolAid wrote:

Right and wrong.
 
Generally those who are under 20 on this website have a focus on Post Rock, Progressive Metal, and so forth, as opposed to say, Krautrock, Symphonic Prog, Canterbury, etc. Progressive Metal is a whole lot closer to any MTV, radio station, or commercialization then any other genre on this website. If progressive metal is the strict future of progressive rock, it's dead, as we need diversity to keep a genre like progressive rock living (my opinion). The older age groups usually focus on the traditional progressive rock areas, which is what is made fun of, also hated/ignored by everyday people. This is what the topic is on, ignoring prog. Symphonic prog is ignored allright, excuse the Pink Floyd, Yes, and Genesis.
 
Who hates Opeth in everyday life? If you find a random person on the street who knows what Dream Theater sounds like, are they going to say "Ewww yuck I hate Dream Theater!!!", now introduce your young-friends to Anglagard or Henry Cow. Good luck!!! Haha.
 
When understanding why the biggest age-group on this website is younger, rather than older, you must realize they listen to "progressive" music generally of today, that a regular person may be able to relate to, as opposed to progressive rock of the past. Opeth fits right in with the metal crowd, don't they? Of course there many differing prog-acts, but another example is Queensryche. Queensryche had commercial success why for example? These popular progressive acts have no place in this conversation, as they ARE exceptions, and very popular or have been in recent history. Therefore they draw people to this website. I found out about this website a few years ago by searching information on Dream Theater, for example. I wasn't searching for Anglagard, that's for sure.
 
If everyone above the age of 25 were to be slaughtered today, tomorrow we would all forget the progressive rock sound formed in the 1970's and we would live strictly for the metal. Or at least the numbers would show to be so.



I think you'd be surprised. I'm 23 and a good portion of the music I listen to is before my time. Actually, I own more Frank Zappa cds than any other artist. I think a number of the younger users on this site are somewhat even-handed when it comes to listening to older music as well. After all, almost any user on the forum is here because they have at least a small sense of musical adventure.

 
Hey man, I'm with you. Out of my top 5 favorite bands they are all from the 60's/70's, and I'm younger than you! But you and I are in the minority in reality. On this website, maybe or maybe not I cannot say for sure. If you poll the youth, generally they will stick to modern pop, rap, r&b, soul, heavy metal, grunge, alternative rock, and so on. When I say generally, I mean the majority (Go find out for yourself if you do not believe me!!!!). Basically, they enjoy music of the post-70's era that we live in today most of all. You can't deny this entirely, especially not in a western nation.
 
These kids need a reason to come out of their little boxes and experience music like Frank Zappa, or other aged classics (prog or not) and without a path showing them the way they are most likely to never experience what you and I have. What reason do they have? It's not even necessarily their fault at times, it's ignorance.
 
The mind of an adolescent or toddler will usually accept what is given to them if they can mentally store it in the mold their culture has created in their minds for them. If rap (or any other now popular genre) were the only music on the radio, that could very likely be all many youths of today speak of when it comes to music. Real shame.
 
I'll have to disagree with you on one thing though, the site is not even. Most of the time this forum focuses on progressive metal rather than anything else. I'm not a metal-hater by a long shot, I just wish things were more even-handed, as you say. It's just constructive criticism, it's improvement I want. Not to whine all day.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:47
I've been listening to it for about 35 years and am not about to stop just because it's not getting airplay. I agree with whoever it was who pointed out what it would be like if prog were accepted by the masses and played to death on the radio. There's a certain joy in finding music that not everyone is listening to. I remember a certain sense of disappointment when Chariots of Fire made it big on the airwaves. I'd been enjoying the music of the obscure Greek, Vangelis Papathanasiou. Suddenly EVERYBODY was saying Vangelis. It's silly, I know, but how many of us don't feel some satisfaction in knowing of all this great music that is not being played ad naseum on the radio?

Yet, we all tend to think our own taste is excellent and that there is something lesser of the musics we don't like or find detestible.

I'm glad to have communities like this one where we can talk about it, even disagree on what it oughta be called. Prog's just the label I'm most comfortable with, though I've had others refer to it as "weirdo" music. (I'm not sure if weirdo was more attached to the music or the one listening)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:48
i dont understand, all these people that said it took them a while to get into Gentle Giant. Am I the only one who got into them almost right away?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:50
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i dont understand, all these people that said it took them a while to get into Gentle Giant. Am I the only one who got into them almost right away?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 23:42
Originally posted by NotSoKoolAid NotSoKoolAid wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i dont understand, all these people that said it took them a while to get into Gentle Giant. Am I the only one who got into them almost right away?
 
You have a gift. Clap


I need to give GG another shot. I loved them 30 years ago, but found they left me cold when I tried listening recently. BTW -- if you like Gentle Giant, I recommend looking up Advent. Cantus Firmus has some nice GG tinges.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 23:46
Originally posted by NotSoKoolAid NotSoKoolAid wrote:

[QUOTE=SolariS] [QUOTE=NotSoKoolAid]
 
I'll have to disagree with you on one thing though, the site is not even. Most of the time this forum focuses on progressive metal rather than anything else. I'm not a metal-hater by a long shot, I just wish things were more even-handed, as you say. It's just constructive criticism, it's improvement I want. Not to whine all day.


Well, I am not a lover of metal, prog or otherwise. I'm not fond of harshness in either instrumentation or vocalization. I'm much more interested in other forms of music. So, I'm one grain of sand to fall onto the scales to help balance things... at least I will be much more interested in discussing other avenues of prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 03:57
Originally posted by NotSoKoolAid NotSoKoolAid wrote:

Let me put this hopefully succinctly.
 
Most would vote against or for an amendment or law without ever reading what this law entails. This is the way of most things in life. People want to see things blow up in movies, and they want three minute accessible pop songs they don't have to think about. Nevermind Picasso or French Impressionism, lets just stare at a completely casual and generic painting of a tree with a shadow. Now I'm really entertained...
 
There's something about remaining stupid that the majority of planet Earth is habitually attracted to.
 
If you don't understand what I've said, god help you, son.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:29
Muse and Radiohead are two bands that are really bringing Prog rock back to the arena, if not Genesis-esque, they are definatly prog. But it takes someone who is willing to be absorbed by the music not just throw it in their car while they are takin a joy ride downtown. Some people find the aforementioned bands good to rock out to, and therefore listen to them, and then realize it is deep stuff. Who knows it could lead to more examination.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:48
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i dont understand, all these people that said it took them a while to get into Gentle Giant. Am I the only one who got into them almost right away?
 
I listened to my first Gentle Giant song (Wreck) a week ago, and it got me instantly hooked. Two listenings of Acquiring the Taste and I decided they were one of my new favourite bands. Since then I've listened to their debut (which I loved), Octopus (which took 3 or 4 listens to really get into) and The Power and the Glory. So no, you aren't quite the only one who got right into them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:43
it's in the human instincts to seek immediate satisfaction. that's why a lot of people don't bother taking the time to really listen through progressive music, because they could reach immediate "satisfaction" through turning on the radio and hearing some catchy tune.

also, as a lot of people already said, prog isn't hated, it's ignored. I guess like someone said, prog isn't as profitable as pop, hip hop, r&b etc.. people hardly get exposed to prog through the biggest medias(TV, radio), thus they will not be motivated to 'dig deeper' into it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:20
I hate when people say I'm a hippie for liking Deep PurpleWink (Some say Purple is prog)...People are sort of, well stupid.Big smile
I just think people lost any real sence in music...Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 02:15
Deep Purple = hippie? Interesting, I didn't realize that. Great avatar, though (I far prefer Dio-Rainbow to DP).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 13:27
I'm glad it's not as popular,  because then it would become all about the money and popularity instead of the great music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 22:48
Pretensious?.... Britney Spears is pretensious!! she's pretending to sing hahaha... don't I make a point here?.... surely there are some pretensious "proggy" bands around... but to call people like Keith Emerson "pretensious" is a bit ridiculous... he's not pretending to be a pianist... he's a great pianist.... classical pianist at that... perhaps a bit show-offy but not pretending to be what he isn't... he is it.
 
 I think the word "pretensious" is a bit worn out and misused. Overblown... maybe; but never pretensious!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:47
Hated???? I don't think so... Taking some Duke's lines...

You kill what you fear and you fear what you don't understand...

When people understand what is progrock they stpo to fear and underestimate and begin to enjoy and love...

... E N E L B U N K E R...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:48

ummm....U2 are so prentious they make prog look pretty modest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:02
it is not hated.it is complicated,it deserves more attention,dedication,it is not for everyone.many people doesn't understand  it, that's why they ignore prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 22:43
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

ummm....U2 are so prentious they make prog look pretty modest.

 
 Yes, and pretensiouness is just trying to appeal much more than what you really are... U2 wanted to fool people into thinking they're so intelligent because they talk about the holocaust and they used atmospherics...On the other hand... while Brittney pretends, Mariah Carey really does sing amazingly... even so, ego is a talent-killer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 22:47
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

U2 wanted to fool people into thinking they're so intelligent because they talk about the holocaust and they used atmospherics...
 
Yes, because traveling to Sarajevo and raising sunds to rebuild the city and help out the poor, raising millions upon millions for AIDS and poverty, and constantly meeting with world leaders to try and solve such problems is just an elaborate ploy to fool people for some causes they've pretended to believe in for 30 years.
 
Seems logical to me Clap *
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2006 at 14:23
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

U2 wanted to fool people into thinking they're so intelligent because they talk about the holocaust and they used atmospherics...
 
Yes, because traveling to Sarajevo and raising sunds to rebuild the city and help out the poor, raising millions upon millions for AIDS and poverty, and constantly meeting with world leaders to try and solve such problems is just an elaborate ploy to fool people for some causes they've pretended to believe in for 30 years.
 
Seems logical to me Clap *
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*Indicates sarcasm.
 
 They pretend to make mind-boggling music, but I'm not arguing good intentions or charisma, I'm arguing music and lyrics... fans around think of them as serious musicians with the most clever lyrical issues, even though there are tons of musicians who make far better music and write far better lyrics than them. Their fans think of U2 as the most inventive band, perhaps because ignorance blocked their vision to far better bands.
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