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    Posted: November 04 2004 at 18:32

Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).

My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.

 
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Dear God not more space to this little pop idol.
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Originally posted by Hangedman Hangedman wrote:

Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).

My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.

 

Welcome to the posts.  We just finsihed a lengthy discussion on "the sinister dwarf" as some call him:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&a mp;KW=Phil+Collins

 

 
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Collins rules(d)! period.
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Points: 4888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 21:45

 

MEL Collins rules!! I agree...

PHIL COLLINS is an irreplaceable drummer with an irritating pop singing facet.  
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Points: 1261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 22:01
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Hangedman Hangedman wrote:

Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).

My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.

 

Welcome to the posts.  We just finsihed a lengthy discussion on "the sinister dwarf" as some call him:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&a mp;a mp;KW=Phil+Collins

 

 

I like the name
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Excellent drummer, good singer, bad songwriter.
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Excellent drummer, not irreplaceable, Chester Thompson proved that, Gtreat Backing vocalist, decent main vocalist in his beginning (got weaker as his music) but terrible composer.

Would have loved to see Manu Katche or Tony Fernandez with Genesis.

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Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

Excellent drummer, good singer, bad songwriter.

That hits the nail on the head.

Irreplaceable? Probably not, but I liked his contribution to Genesis a great deal between 1971 and 1980, and see no reason why anyone would have done things better.
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He was agood drummer with early Genesis , no doubt. and he even did a god job at replacing Gabriel on vocals until And Then ther were three. I liked some of his early stuff like Hello Imust be going and No Jacket required but his recent stuff makes my ears hurt. Have you heard the new one " Don't Let Him Steal Your Heart Away"? It just makes you want to spew your buscuits.

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Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

 

MEL Collins rules!! I agree...

PHIL COLLINS is an irreplaceable drummer with an irritating pop singing facet.  

 

Don't you mean Joan Collins?
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IRRITATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2004 at 15:19
Irritatingly irreplaceable? Irreplaceably irritating?
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He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade.  Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters. 

The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out.

And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
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Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade.  Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters. 

The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out.

And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.

Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes  and Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!!
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Points: 1261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2004 at 01:08
Id like to note that i find Phil neither irreplaceable or irritating, i just find the title catchy.
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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade.  Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters. 

The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out.

And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.

Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes  and Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!!



Kign crimson poppy? yeah right.....
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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2004 at 21:59
Originally posted by Havoc Havoc wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade.  Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters. 

The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out.

And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.

 

 

Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes  and Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!!



Kign crimson poppy? yeah right.....

Three of a Perfect Pair...POP!! Quirky pop but pop none the less!
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