Phil Collins: Irreplaceable or Irritating
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Topic: Phil Collins: Irreplaceable or Irritating
Posted By: Hangedman
Subject: Phil Collins: Irreplaceable or Irritating
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 18:32
Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).
My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.
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Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 18:35
Dear God not more space to this little pop idol.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 18:40
Hangedman wrote:
Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).
My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.
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Welcome to the posts. We just finsihed a lengthy discussion on "the sinister dwarf" as some call him:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&KW=Phil+Collins - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&a mp;KW=Phil+Collins
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 20:13
Collins rules(d)! period.
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 21:45
MEL Collins rules!! I agree...
PHIL COLLINS is an irreplaceable drummer with an irritating pop singing facet.
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 22:01
Garion81 wrote:
Hangedman wrote:
Phil Collins drummer for Genesis, singer for Genesis, successful solo artist. Also he has become one of the most hated celebrities in recent times. Now I want to know what you think, is Phil Collins part of the magic of classic Genesis or was he tarnish to not only that band but all of the music industry? (A little dramatic I know).
My opinion is that the man was an excellent drummer, but also that the best two songs he ever wrote are just filler on genesis albums. So it’s kind of conflicting. Overall though, I think genesis benefit from his involvement more than they were inhibited.
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Welcome to the posts. We just finsihed a lengthy discussion on "the sinister dwarf" as some call him:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&KW=Phil+Collins - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1731&a mp;a mp;KW=Phil+Collins
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I like the name
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Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 23:08
Excellent drummer, good singer, bad songwriter.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 01:13
Excellent drummer, not irreplaceable, Chester Thompson proved that, Gtreat Backing vocalist, decent main vocalist in his beginning (got weaker as his music) but terrible composer.
Would have loved to see Manu Katche or Tony Fernandez with Genesis.
Iván
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 03:03
penguindf12 wrote:
Excellent drummer, good singer, bad songwriter. |
That hits the nail on the head.
Irreplaceable? Probably not, but I liked his contribution to Genesis a great deal between 1971 and 1980, and see no reason why anyone would have done things better.
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 06:12
He was agood drummer with early Genesis , no doubt. and he even did a god job at replacing Gabriel on vocals until And Then ther were three. I liked some of his early stuff like Hello Imust be going and No Jacket required but his recent stuff makes my ears hurt. Have you heard the new one " Don't Let Him Steal Your Heart Away"? It just makes you want to spew your buscuits.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 08:41
Cesar Inca wrote:
MEL Collins rules!! I agree...
PHIL COLLINS is an irreplaceable drummer with an irritating pop singing facet.
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Don't you mean Joan Collins?
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 10:06
IRRITATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
------------- Billy Connolly
Dream Theater
Terry Gilliam
Hagen Quartet
Jethro Tull
Mike Keneally
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 15:19
Irritatingly irreplaceable? Irreplaceably irritating?
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Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 22:59
He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade. Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters.
The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out. 
And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God.
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 23:06
Aerosol Grey wrote:
He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade. Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters.
The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out. 
And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
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Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes and Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!!
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 01:08
Id like to note that i find Phil neither irreplaceable or irritating, i just find the title catchy.
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Posted By: Havoc
Date Posted: November 07 2004 at 21:48
gdub411 wrote:
Aerosol Grey wrote:
He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the
dawn of the new decade. Due to his high profile some people might
feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but
really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters.
The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out. 
And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
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Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes and
Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's
as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding
more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!! |
Kign crimson poppy? yeah right.....
------------- "Jesrusalem boogie to us perphaps... but to the birds it meant that supper was ready!"
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 07 2004 at 21:59
Havoc wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Aerosol Grey wrote:
He was great in the 70s then started to suck without mercy at the dawn of the new decade. Due to his high profile some people might feel more inclined to wanna throw stuff at him for selling out but really I can say the same for a great handful of 70s prog masters.
The main differnece being they weren't as good at selling out. 
And, oh yes I'm biased, Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
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Well put newbie. It wasn't as if the members of ELP, Yes and Kansas(to name but a few) weren't selling their soul to pop in the 80's as well. Heck., even King Crimson and Peter Hammill started sounding more poppish. Thank God for Marillion!!
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Kign crimson poppy? yeah right.....
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Three of a Perfect Pair...POP!! Quirky pop but pop none the less!
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