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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows are my two least favorite. RTB I actually quite like and imo it's almost as good (or maybe even as good) as TFE and Presto. 


Outside Rush's first album, which I give them a pass as it's a band trying to find its footing, Hold Your Fire was the first album where I went "Oh No." Beginning with that album Rush became a hit and miss band with me. I was thinking is this Rush's Invisible Touch moment. Now, they did somewhat better than Genesis going forward, but they were no longer the band that could do no wrong.

Yes had that moment with Big Generator. With that release, they would be a hit and miss band going forward for me. I bought both Hold Your Fire and Big Generator within a month of each other. Both albums were released in September of 1987. To be let down by Yes and Rush within a month was quite disappointing.
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

 Outside Rush's first album, which I give them a pass as it's a band trying to find its footing, Hold Your Fire was the first album where I went "Oh No." Beginning with that album Rush became a hit and miss band with me. I was thinking is this Rush's Invisible Touch moment. Now, they did somewhat better than Genesis going forward, but they were no longer the band that could do no wrong.

Yes had that moment with Big Generator. With that release, they would be a hit and miss band going forward for me. I bought both Hold Your Fire and Big Generator within a month of each other. Both albums were released in September of 1987. To be let down by Yes and Rush within a month was quite disappointing.

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album. If Rush has an "Invisible Touch moment", it's Presto.

I remember September 1987 very well when those albums were released. A Momentary Lapse of Reason also came out at the same time, and also disappointed a lot of listeners. 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album. If Rush has an "Invisible Touch moment", it's Presto.

HYF is much less interesting than Power windows. 

Also Presto is more interesting and fun than Invisible Touch (to put it kindly). 
For me Presto was a return to form. I enjoy it more than HYF. 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.


I have always grouped Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows together. A merger of Prog and New Wave that worked quite well with the stylistic direction Rush was taking. Hold Your Fire was nothing more than a New Wave, Pop-Rock album that could have been released by the band Til Tuesday.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2024 at 14:39
Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.


I have always grouped Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows together.


Same, here. Some of the decade's finest rock, no debate.

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Hold Your Fire was nothing more than a New Wave, Pop-Rock album that could have been released by the band Til Tuesday.


Sorry, that's a bit unfair. "Open Secrets," "Turn the Page" and "Lock and Key" (not to mention "Force Ten") are way too "Rush" for a band like TT to concoct. But I understand the sentiment.

Still, HYF is practically A Farewell to Kings compared to Roll the Bones.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2024 at 16:22
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.

Well, it kind of makes me weep because for a long time growing up I lived in a town (or nearby) called Middletown. So it's sentimental to me for that reason alone.
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Hold Your Fire is way too romantic too me lol

It's crazy because Power Windows is among my favourites, and they have some sort of similar "style", but while I love the production of PW, I do really hate how to drums sound in HYF. A lot of the melodies also don't stick in my head either. 

Honestly HYF to me is much more closer to Presto than PW, despite HYF still having lots of synths and very 80's drums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Crimson Mellotron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2024 at 01:44
In answer to OP - I don't think this is their best work as it draws upon their best material from the late 70s/early 80s for inspiration, but among the legacy prog bands it is one of the best final albums, very strong and consistent, supreme way to say goodbye.
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I always beware that word 'consistent'. Subtext 'no inspiration and the band is done'. Wink
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