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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2024 at 22:17
Chet Baker. Eric Dolphy, Way out Wardell.   
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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The issue is, none of this is "Jazz Fusion". Miles Davis at this point is playing "Modal Jazz", Mingus is playing "Post-Bop", Brubeck is into "West Coast Jazz", and Shorter is playing "Hard Bop". There is no such thing as "fusion" at this point. Not even vaguely.

It's like making a list of rock and roll albums from 1959 and saying Chuck Berry, Bill Hailey, Ricky Nelson and Elvis are prog.

"Jazz Fusion" as a definable genre doesn't come into existence until 1967 or later, when jazz players like Larry Coryell whipped out their guitars and amps and bring rock music into what previously was a wholly separate entity, jazz. Of fusion, Coryell noted of this next generation of jazz players, "We loved Miles but we also loved the Rolling Stones." Miles Davis himself was profoundly affected by Hendrix. Corea, McLaughlin, Hancock all come around in the late 60s.


Hi,

I have to agree here with this, as it ends up being a massive HISTORY of the story of JAZZ, and something that we are not capable of seeing and kinda put together with rock music with the hope/intent of creating a more inclusive and complete "history" of the art form, which would really help define what became known as "progressive music" later, and even later what became known as "progressive rock", a suggestion that a lot of the music was about the rock music more than it was about being "progressive" in my book. 

Nicely done and stated DE.

I would have added, I think, that folks in jazz taking on more rock elements were a natural event, since it was all over in radio, and selling like pancakes. I'm not sure that most classical/jazz musicians out there, would not have heard and seen any of it, and getting it added was just a matter of minutes, not even "time". The only sad thing of it all is how the classical music places have fallen by wayside, for rejecting the jazz and rock music from that time. The Portland version has been close to not making it due to finances. And when I talked to the conductor at the time, and suggested some Frank Zappa ... he went ... who is Frank Zappa? .... all I said is no ticket from me!


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^ Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention are coming up in 1966. Thumbs Up
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