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Topic: Classic US Jazz: 1959
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Classic US Jazz: 1959
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 02:23
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3 stars 1959: Les Baxter - Goliath and the Barbarians -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kbQEUqr1B3XWrZlHEkAjUe4GpziXcuALk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kbQEUqr1B3XWrZlHEkAjUe4GpziXcuALk
3 stars 1959: Les Baxter - African Jazz -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdl1y1w4PGIqRmZCQzNKQDzyqesfsVSrR" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdl1y1w4PGIqRmZCQzNKQDzyqesfsVSrR
3 stars 1959: Les Baxter - Jungle Jazz -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSTyTTxclcoe87l4pTfy8nLgPONeh8uzE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSTyTTxclcoe87l4pTfy8nLgPONeh8uzE
3 stars 1959: Les Baxter - Wild Guitars -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mwhHUsEjoXMX8yv3G8BrQqHU2_jJEqwdI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mwhHUsEjoXMX8yv3G8BrQqHU2_jJEqwdI
3 stars 1959: Dave Brubeck Quartet - Gone with the Wind -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l4sPwOu9f7TQe5Na5xZkUqfyst84dYlpo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l4sPwOu9f7TQe5Na5xZkUqfyst84dYlpo
3 stars 1959: Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZG0m1KL-bAtvkB78le_8LUpfBcncZvdg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZG0m1KL-bAtvkB78le_8LUpfBcncZvdg
3 stars 1959: Donald Byrd - Byrd in Hand -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBJenJIJrq0wejI3ijg7QmTMzjx4i2Hc4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBJenJIJrq0wejI3ijg7QmTMzjx4i2Hc4
3 stars 1959: Donald Byrd - Off to the Races -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSp_S-PwKcuBuNnkRcwPY5mwtEaz5SGJ4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSp_S-PwKcuBuNnkRcwPY5mwtEaz5SGJ4
2 stars 1959: Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf99MZQhIM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf99MZQhIM
4 stars 1959: Miles Davis - Kind of Blue -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLtBpVbGac_7xgJC4x9cRpeiLfjt9T1Pk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLtBpVbGac_7xgJC4x9cRpeiLfjt9T1Pk
3 stars 1959: Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nD1nb_w3iUwTAgFhRYy1uiVTA5u0ALl4U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nD1nb_w3iUwTAgFhRYy1uiVTA5u0ALl4U
3 stars 1959: Herbie Mann - Flautista -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKLPE6Ph1xZrFaspKiDdRt-YHluwRJENn" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKLPE6Ph1xZrFaspKiDdRt-YHluwRJENn
3 stars 1959: Herbie Mann - African Suite -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2CzePKSjYnWjzkNoypdq94XKucgz1VLw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2CzePKSjYnWjzkNoypdq94XKucgz1VLw
3 stars 1959: Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiN-7mukU_REK9zBMvZonERNvhovxnsE5" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiN-7mukU_REK9zBMvZoNERNvhovxnsE5
3 stars 1959: Wayne Shorter - Introducing Wayne Shorter -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJTyUsv_bQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJTyUsv_bQ
3 stars 1959: Sun Ra - Jazz in Silhouette -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lctekKEklQxJxZtozE-Blm7ckJZdRyNtU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lctekKEklQxJxZtozE-Blm7ckJZdRyNtU



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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 02:50
Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
Sun Ra - Jazz In Silhouette
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 04:44
Dave Brubeck Quartet.

Any more voters from 1959, or does thrice pay for all? Wink


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 04:55
This one is a toughy.  Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 04:57
Nice to see you, or anyone, make a poll of artists in the USA. Thanks Paul!

I wouldn't classify any of these as "fusion" but it's Kind of Blue for me.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 05:11
Coming up later.....

John Abercrombie                    Electromagnets                   Herbie Mann                     Wayne Shorter
Apprentice                              Don Ellis                             Material                            Smoke
Arcana                                   The Fents                            Mathematicians                 Soma
Ariel                                       Bela Fleck & the Flecktones   Matrix                              Spaces
Carla Bley                               Flying Island                        Bernie Maupin                  Tony Spada
Blood, Sweat & Tears               The Fourth Way                   McLuhan                          Spyro Gyra
Brecker Brothers                      Friends                               Medeski, Martin & Wood    The Stark Reality
Michael Brecker                        Bill Frisell                            Pat Metheny                     Steely Dan
Gary Burton                             Gamalon                             Barry Miles                       Streetdancer
Donald Byrd                             Genre                                The Mistakes                     Daryl Stuermer 
Larry Carlton                            Gold                                   Morning Sky                     Sun Ra
Chase                                      Golden Avatar                     Alphonse Mouzon              Tesseract
Chicago                                   Good God                           October                            Steve Tibbetts
Child's Play                              Jerry Goodman                    Oregon                             Keith Tippett Group
Clareon                                   Grits                                   Ozone Quartet                   David Torn
Stanley Clarke                          Group '87                            Paranoise                         Ralph Towner
Billy Cobham                            Dave Grusin                        Jaco Pastorius                   Tribal Tech
Ornette Coleman & Prime Time  Jan Hammer                        Players                             A Triggering Myth
Steve Coleman                         Herbie Hancock                    Power Tools                      Tuatara
Alice Coltrane                           Jon Hassell                          Julian Priester                   Tunnels
John Coltrane                           Eddie Henderson                  Probe 10                          James Blood Ulmer
Bill Connors                              However                             Proteus                            Under the Big Tree
Copious                                   Bobbi Humphrey                  Radio Piece III                   Vertu
Chick Corea                              Iliad                                   Return to Forever              James Vincent
Larry Coryell                             Ronald Shannon Jackson      Richie Duvall & Dog Truck   The Viola Crayola
Miles Davis                               Alphonso Johnson                Jeff Richman                     Vital Information
Defunkt                                    Shawn Lane                        David Rose                       Chad Wackerman
Jack DeJohnette                        Mingo Lewis                        David Sancious                 Ken Watson
Al Di Meola                               John Macey                         Pharaoh Sanders               Weather Report
Dixie Dregs                               Maelstrom                           Santana                           Lenny White
Deodato                                   Mahavishnu Orchestra          Carlos Santana                  Tony Williams Lifetime
Dreams                                    Sam Malone                        Satchitananda                    Woodenhead
George Duke                             Mandrill                              Schleigho                          Larry Young
Dennis Chambers                      Michael Manring                   John Scofield                     Frank Zappa

 

   


136 artists in total. Let me know if there's anyone I've missed out. Smile 

    
                                        



Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 05:16
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Nice to see you, or anyone, make a poll of artists in the USA. Thanks Paul!

I wouldn't classify any of these as "fusion" but it's Kind of Blue for me.

Me neither, and I voted for the album that Miles ahead of the rest too.  I can promise this series of polls gets much better later on though with 136 more artists still to come and with the Steely Dan and Pat Metheny years to look forward to. Wink


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 05:19
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

This one is a toughy.  Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

Charles Mingus was a last minute addition. I was Umming and Ahing about including that album. Smile


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 05:51
Miles Davis (Kind of Blue), Herbie Mann (Flautista), Charles Mingus.


Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 06:22
That Coleman album is a decisive win for me, although Mingus is not far behind.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 06:55
Kind of Blue - the autobiography of MP Ken Clarke, who spent his days in parliament and his nights in Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club. Cool





Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 07:09
^Hmmm. It seems we are now at a club in the U.K?


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 07:14
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Hmmm. It seems we are now at a club in the U.K?

Yes, Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club is in London, but Louis Balfour's Jazz Club only exists in the imagination of the writers of The Fast Show. Smile


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 18:00
Mingus

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 18:14
I went with Mingus too, with Sun Ra and Coleman following. Miles Davis' Kind of Blue has received a lot of attention at PA, but I much prefer the following Sketches of Spain and then the 1965 to 1974 period is I think stellar.

My dad loved Gershwin's Porgy and Bess and made the mistake of buying the Davis album when I was a kid and complained vociferously (he had bought it at a Vancouver store that specialises in classical called The Magic Flute). I liked it, it was the first time I remembering hearing Miles Davis. I was rather sad when he he exchanged the record. I bet he wouldn't like Sketches of Spain as much as I do. That resonated with me in part because I played some of the same music as a trumpeter in youth orchestra.

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 00:34
I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. Perhaps my ten favorite (non-fusion) jazz albums from this year:

The Cecil Taylor Quartet - Looking Ahead!
The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out
Ahmed Abdul-Malik - Jazz Sahara
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
The Chico Hamilton Quintet - Gongs East!
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Abbey Lincoln - Abbey Is Blue
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Yusef Lateef - The Dreamer
The Horace Silver Quintet - Finger Poppin' With the Horace Silver Quintet

*Les Baxter isn't even "regular jazz" - and like Brubeck, Coleman and Mingus - he won't ever record an album considered to be Jazz Fusion.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 00:45
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. 
There's two main reasons why I began this series of polls from the year 1959:-

1. Because that was the year as I was born.

and

2. I couldn't possibly consider leaving out Miles Davis' classic Kind of Blue album.

And on the subject of Les Baxter, I have more albums by him than any other artist - 32 in total - so he was another "must" for inclusion. Smile

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 01:03
^Haha but that's not actual "reasons". I have more Morricone albums than anyone else in my collection. I wouldn't include him in a "Classic Exotica Albums"-poll simply because I own a lot of his albums. Just like I know Les Baxter doesn't belong in Jazz Fusion, I would know that Morricone doesn't belong in Exotica. 
+of course you could leave out Kind of Blue - as it's Classic Modal Jazz and not Classic Jazz Fusion.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 01:13
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. 
There's two main reasons why I began this series of polls from the year 1959:-

1. Because that was the year as I was born.

and

2. I couldn't possibly consider leaving out Miles Davis' classic Kind of Blue album.

And on the subject of Les Baxter, I have more albums by him than any other artist - 32 in total - so he was another "must" for inclusion. Smile

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink

The issue is, none of this is "Jazz Fusion". Miles Davis at this point is playing "Modal Jazz", Mingus is playing "Post-Bop", Brubeck is into "West Coast Jazz", and Shorter is playing "Hard Bop". There is no such thing as "fusion" at this point. Not even vaguely.

It's like making a list of rock and roll albums from 1959 and saying Chuck Berry, Bill Hailey, Ricky Nelson and Elvis are prog.

"Jazz Fusion" as a definable genre doesn't come into existence until 1967 or later, when jazz players like Larry Coryell whipped out their guitars and amps and bring rock music into what previously was a wholly separate entitiy, jazz. Of fusion, Coryell noted of this next generation of jazz players, "We loved Miles but we also loved the Rolling Stones." Miles Davis himself was profoundly affected by Hendrix. Corea, McLaughlin, Hancock all come around in the late 60s.




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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 01:26
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Haha but that's not actual "reasons" silly. I have more Morricone albums than anyone else in my collection. I wouldn't include him in a "Classic Exotica Albums"-poll because I own a lot of his albums. Because just like I know Les Baxter doesn't belong in Jazz Fusion, I would know that Morricone doesn't belong in Exotica. 
+of course you could leave out Kind of Blue - as it's Classic Modal Jazz and not Classic Jazz Fusion.
I could skip straight from the year 1959 to the year 1967 when Jazz Fusion really began, but then I'd be missing out on some classic jazz albums, such as Miles Davis' "Sketches of Spain" album, which is coming up next and John Coltrane's classic "A Love Supreme" album from 1965. to name just two. Smile


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 01:29
^Well up to 1967 you would have to make "plain" Jazz polls. Simple as that. That would be correct and make sense. Why would that be a problem?


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 01:36
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Well up to 1967 you would have to make "plain" Jazz polls. Simple as that. That would be correct and make sense. Why would that be a problem?
That's no problem at all. Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll label the following jazz polls from 1960 to 1966 as simply "Classic US Jazz" and post them in the General Music forum, before switching the poll titles to "Classic US Jazz Fusion" from 1967 onwards, so as not to cause any further con-Fusion. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 03:12
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink
Does that mean Allan Holdsworth will be in the polls?

FYI, Allan moved to the USA permanently in the 80's. The main reason was, not many in England liked his solo music. His solo material was much more popular in the States and he made a living from it, albeit barely.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 03:23
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink
Does that mean Allan Holdsworth will be in the polls?

FYI, Allan moved to the USA permanently in the 80's. The main reason was, not many in England liked his solo music. His solo material was much more popular in the States and he made a living from it, albeit barely.
No, not quite. It means both Santana the band and Carlos Santana solo will be included, even though he's Mexican by birth. Smile


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 03:47
one big absentStern Smile on this list (the only one that could be said that he was doing fusion in 59): Art Blakey and The  Jazz Messenger

his 1959 album called Moanin' is a reference in all jazz books, even if it's (hard) Bop 

One could add Gil Evans' Progressive Big Band (for whom Blakey was drumming at the time) but I don't think I have heard Gret Jazz Standards, his 1959 release


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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 06:08
What?! No Bill Evans?!?! Everybody Digs Bill Evans!

Where would music be without Bill Evans?



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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 06:45
^ I'd take that Bill Evans album over a few others in this poll. But I think he got better - or rather released better albums in the early 1960's... 

...so I decided to put it on when I was typing this. It's pretty great and probably more memorable than I remembered:)


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 07:14
For those who don't like the choices, quit complaining and make your own poll.


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 08:02
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

For those who don't like the choices, quit complaining and make your own poll.
I complain as much I feel like about a 1959-"classic fusion" poll. PA is a music site and this is a forum for discussion. When I notice something I've have knowledge about that is presented in a wrong or nonsensical way - I will comment. It's just how I am. 

...But now I got nothing more to complain about, as PP changed the title to something that no longer hurts my eyes (and mind):)


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 08:03
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

What?! No Bill Evans?!?! Everybody Digs Bill Evans!

Where would music be without Bill Evans?

I left out Bill Evans and Art Blakey because I didn't think anyone would vote for them. Big mistake! Ouch




Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 09:20
What a great year. Lots of indispensable classics. I was at the grand old age of -3 back then.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 05:20
Kind of Blue and Time Out.

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Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 07:47
The '59 jazz album that gets the most play from me?

Jimmy Smith's "The Sermon"


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 08:28
Kind Of Blue


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Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 22:16
I have to go with Kind Of Blue as my personal favorite. Another 1959 release that I find interesting is Jack Kerouac & Steve Allen- Poetry For The Beat Generation. Beatnik poetry over jazz may not be for all tastes, but it’s certainly an interesting time capsule of that era. At least in my opinion. : )


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 03:22
Originally posted by SleepingFinger SleepingFinger wrote:

I have to go with Kind Of Blue as my personal favorite. Another 1959 release that I find interesting is Jack Kerouac & Steve Allen- Poetry For The Beat Generation. Beatnik poetry over jazz may not be for all tastes, but it’s certainly an interesting time capsule of that era. At least in my opinion. : )
On that note, I was thinking about Ken Nordine's excellent 1959-album NEXT. His spoken delivery is jazz in itself and the backing ensemble is a full jazz orchestra and different jazzband constallations 




Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 04:10

Mingus Ah Um


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Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 07:40
Cool! I will certainly be checking this one out now that you’ve brought it to my attention! : )


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 11:10
Dave Brubeck : Time out ( a lesson in unorthodox metrics)


Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 20:35
1 [5.00%]
8 [40.00%]


Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 22:17
Chet Baker. Eric Dolphy, Way out Wardell.   

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 10:31
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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The issue is, none of this is "Jazz Fusion". Miles Davis at this point is playing "Modal Jazz", Mingus is playing "Post-Bop", Brubeck is into "West Coast Jazz", and Shorter is playing "Hard Bop". There is no such thing as "fusion" at this point. Not even vaguely.

It's like making a list of rock and roll albums from 1959 and saying Chuck Berry, Bill Hailey, Ricky Nelson and Elvis are prog.

"Jazz Fusion" as a definable genre doesn't come into existence until 1967 or later, when jazz players like Larry Coryell whipped out their guitars and amps and bring rock music into what previously was a wholly separate entity, jazz. Of fusion, Coryell noted of this next generation of jazz players, "We loved Miles but we also loved the Rolling Stones." Miles Davis himself was profoundly affected by Hendrix. Corea, McLaughlin, Hancock all come around in the late 60s.


Hi,

I have to agree here with this, as it ends up being a massive HISTORY of the story of JAZZ, and something that we are not capable of seeing and kinda put together with rock music with the hope/intent of creating a more inclusive and complete "history" of the art form, which would really help define what became known as "progressive music" later, and even later what became known as "progressive rock", a suggestion that a lot of the music was about the rock music more than it was about being "progressive" in my book. 

Nicely done and stated DE.

I would have added, I think, that folks in jazz taking on more rock elements were a natural event, since it was all over in radio, and selling like pancakes. I'm not sure that most classical/jazz musicians out there, would not have heard and seen any of it, and getting it added was just a matter of minutes, not even "time". The only sad thing of it all is how the classical music places have fallen by wayside, for rejecting the jazz and rock music from that time. The Portland version has been close to not making it due to finances. And when I talked to the conductor at the time, and suggested some Frank Zappa ... he went ... who is Frank Zappa? .... all I said is no ticket from me!


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 10:40
^ Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention are coming up in 1966. Thumbs Up



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