Did 5hit just get real ?

This.

In spades.

CosmicVibration wrote: Divide and conquer seems to be the prevailing model. Trump is an, in your face agitator.  He picked, exposed, and made worse the scabs that were already there. Biden is a stab you in the back despot.  With the right combination of fear and desperation you can make people do just about anything. A great leader unites, a damaging one divides.  A Trump / Biden ticket would be devastating.   People need to come together and treat each other with respect. Conflicts should be resolved through dialogue.  Freedoms are of utmost importance and ought to be upheld.

I'm on the ledge about this.

As much as I want to see Drump never run for Prez again, because of permanent damage he can do to human race and democracy, I can't help but think that he's only the second US Prez since WW2 (Jimmy Carter was the other one) not to have sent troops out on some battleground on the planet. Maybe the only positive point of those 4 years. But I also have no doubt that be's used his presidency to make deals with enemies (as if Saudi Arabia was a friend).

As for (Forb)Biden, he could only be a better choice than Dump both on the internal home-front and on the international planetary front. At least, that's what I thought at election time. But he's turned out to be quite the arsehole himself  (and he's not preparing the future class of/for the Democrats either, from what I can see from across the pond), not only reinforcing  protectionism, but also forcing US arms sales around the planet - and fomenting trouble in Taïwan and Ukraine - via the toxic NATO, at the expense of his "allies" (the Australian submarines issue). It might appear that the Dems are "safer" than Reps, but on the whole, the Dems are just as much (if not more) warmongers than their best ennemy. The choice between a pachyderm and a donkey (an arse, if you wish) is like choosing the hammer or the anvil.

MortSahlFan wrote: Gallup. On December 17, 2020, Gallup polling found that 41% as Independent, 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican. A majority of both parties (61-64%) want a third party, and they also don't want Biden/Trump.

Let's face, the renewal of democray will start by annilihating both the red & blue, before starting others. However, given the numbers of radicalized idiots (Qanon & religious zealots), things will probably be worse A Third Way was Blair's moto, but that turned out to be a spoof.