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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1986)



Good god, that's awful. What a piece of crap
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Here's a sequence with Whitesnake "Here I Go Again".

1982 from Saints and Sinners.



1987 version from self titled album.



And then single mix version that made it onto Greatest Hits album.



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Quote The original version from the 1982 Saints & Sinners album with Jon Lord on Hammond organ and Bernie Marsden and Micky Moody on guitar (5:03)
The most popular version is the re-recorded version that appears on the Whitesnake (aka 1987) album with John Sykes on guitar (solo by Adrian Vandenberg) (4:36)
A 1987 "radio-mix" version, asked by Geffen, which was released as a United States single with Denny Carmassi on drums and Dann Huff on guitar, who also provided the new arrangement, which included an intro without keyboards and no Coverdale vocal intro verse. This version topped the charts, and appeared on the Greatest Hits album in 1994 (3:54).
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I consider the "remake" of "Tales from Topographic Oceans" to be horrible. I especially dislike that material was added at the beginning of "The Revealing Science of God". I found the original beginning with Anderson singing "Dawn of light lying..." perfect.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I consider the "remake" of "Tales from Topographic Oceans" to be horrible. I especially dislike that material was added at the beginning of "The Revealing Science of God". I found the original beginning with Anderson singing "Dawn of light lying..." perfect.
When you say 'Remake' do you mean Steve Wilson's 'Remix'?
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I consider the "remake" of "Tales from Topographic Oceans" to be horrible. I especially dislike that material was added at the beginning of "The Revealing Science of God". I found the original beginning with Anderson singing "Dawn of light lying..." perfect.
When you say 'Remake' do you mean Steve Wilson's 'Remix'?

No; I mean the 2003 reissue which is not just a remix.


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^ Except was that not the original introduction intended for Revealing, but left off the original vinyl only because of time constraints? The word used by the band themselves to describe the two minute introduction was “restored”, which certainly implies it was their preference to have it - even if you thought the song was perfect without it.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ Except was that not the original introduction intended for Revealing, but left off the original vinyl only because of time constraints? The word used by the band themselves to describe the two minute introduction was “restored”, which certainly implies it was their preference to have it - even if you thought the song was perfect without it.



I sincerely doubt this "time constraints" problem; the extended version is only about two minutes longer. Anyway, I could have lived with this extension. The problem I have is that the whole album was not just remixed (which would not have changed that much), it was obviously re-recorded; the instruments and voices don't play what was originally played on the album. It feels as if a good friend of yours suddenly underwent extreme plastic surgery in the face.


Edited by BaldFriede - May 10 2022 at 11:40


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Sure. 🙄

The 2003 version was not even a remix, which shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. It was purely a remaster. Yes have stated categorically that it was a remaster only, from the original master tape of the original 1973 Eddie Offord mix. Despite Rock Wakeman’s wish to have some overdubs and re-recordings, this idea was vetoed. There is nothing new, nor remixed, on this version. It is simply a remaster. While the two minute introduction could be viewed as new, the band insisted this was a restoration, rather than an addition.

Even ten years later, in a 2013 interview, Anderson talks about the introduction and how the song was edited down from its original length. By using the search facility on PA, I found a thread on the forum where people are talking about this interview, and where a link to the interview is provided, but following it comes up a dead end. I guess it is probably archived somewhere on the web, but I’ve never known how to find archived sites. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Sure. 🙄

The 2003 version was not even a remix, which shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. It was purely a remaster. Yes have stated categorically that it was a remaster only, from the original master tape of the original 1973 Eddie Offord mix. Despite Rock Wakeman’s wish to have some overdubs and re-recordings, this idea was vetoed. There is nothing new, nor remixed, on this version. It is simply a remaster. While the two minute introduction could be viewed as new, the band insisted this was a restoration, rather than an addition.

Even ten years later, in a 2013 interview, Anderson talks about the introduction and how the song was edited down from its original length. By using the search facility on PA, I found a thread on the forum where people are talking about this interview, and where a link to the interview is provided, but following it comes up a dead end. I guess it is probably archived somewhere on the web, but I’ve never known how to find archived sites. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Nope. I have heard the original so many times; I know every note by heart. The 2003 version is definitely not the same.


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JD is now in total Indiana Jones mode as he searches the jungles for this 2003 version. Wink


Edited by JD - May 10 2022 at 14:46
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

JD is now in total Indiana Jones mode as he searches the jungles for this 2003 version. Wink

I don’t have to go too far to find it. I have the cd in my tower in the living room.
Good hunting, Indy!

[EDIT] I just checked, and you will find it on the Spotify and Amazon streaming platforms, and therefore probably others as well, along with the other versions. So you can contrast and compare to your heart’s content.



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Just checked my collection and it looks like I have one from a DL I did years ago.
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Well, from what I can discern it all sounds like the original performance. Most notable to me is that Steve Wilson mixed the guitar more up front and with the overall mix cleaned up many of the hidden/buried instrumental parts (like synth) now see new life. This certainly could give the impression of 'New' parts being added, but when listening to the original on my AKG240K headphones I can make out some of the deeper instrumental parts which now shine on the remix.
My assessment would be that there are No Added parts to the song (other than the intro waves), only Newly Revealed parts which were lost in the original mix.
That being said, I'm not sure which passages specifically BaldFiede feels are new, but sometimes pieces of a song are edited out for various reasons. In Wilson's remix of ELP's Trilogy album, he reinserted an instrumental part into Living Sin that had been edited out, extending the song by a few seconds.
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