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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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I totally thought that back in 2012 when I first heard English Electric part one and stated it more or less in my review. All I can say is that since then I've purchased nearly all their albums and will be seeing them play live for the third time next year. I suppose one reason is that they write a lot of lyrics about English industrial history and that plays into my natural patriotic spirit. I also like trains! |
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5224 |
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Your review is a great example of why people should never be allowed to post a review within the first 6 months or 20 listens of an album
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18064 |
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Hi, It would likely result in a worse review, when you are bored senseless and immaculate by the 19th listen and nervous breakdown! ![]() ![]() ![]() Again, 50 years ago, you KNEW from the first listen if it mattered or not. But today there is so much bleach and fake color on so much music that no one knows the difference and they need 20 listens to find out what ELP, KC, PF, YES, JT, AD2, TD, KS ... and so many others were trying to do. If it took 20 listens, half of us would not bother with a review, to bore you and the fans with! ![]() Get on with the program! It's either progressive or not. And if it took 20 listens, it's just another top ten hit, not progressive or important and valuable to the annals of my crap! ![]() ![]() Edited by moshkito - October 01 2021 at 07:11 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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...well it may be important to the annals of my crap though. We only value our own crap. Anyhow at some point I just got very tired of trying to judge whether something is 'progressive' or not. There is even a debate about what that word means in the context of music . Keith Emerson considered it was more about the way music was composed (ie not repetitious) which here we just call 'Symphonic Prog'. BBT are somewhat symph prog related but not the full blown thing . They have hooks in their music damn them!
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5224 |
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At the end of the day, some people like them and others don't.
That's how it's always been with all types of music. Apart from Bohemian Rhapsody. Everyone loves that pile of prog!
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BrufordFreak ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 8428 |
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I've always felt that the Dave Longdon-Dave Gregory-Nick D'Virgilio era BBT to be a bit too bombastic for my tastes--though I could sense the power and mastery in the new blood with the amazing The Underfall Yard. Now that Dave Gregory, Rachel Hall, and Andy Poole (along with Greg Spawton, the band's founder) have left/retired, I was worried, but I like the direction expressed on Common Ground--some movement back to a more delicate, pastoral sound, less bombast and prog-for-prog's sake.
Yes "The Strangest Times" is cheesy--and the next two songs weak, but after that there are some of the best BBT songs I've heard in a long time--since English Electric, Part 1. "Apollo" is definitely one of the best prog epics I've heard from 2021 and "Endnotes" reminds me of their most emotional, most powerful beauties--like "Winchester from St. Giles Hill", and "Dandelion" is beautifully simple pastoral prog folk at its finest. For those of you who've never managed to connect very well to the BBT of the last 12 years, I recommend giving a 2007's The Difference Machine a try. It remains, to this day, my very favorite BBT album. All in all, I like Common Ground. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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^ never thought of them ever as being bombastic but then I am an ELP fan and these things are relative!
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Earl of Mar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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I feel this is the weakest of the Longdon albums. It's not a poor album it's just not to me at least, terribly exciting. People have been very positive about the " epic" Atlantic Cable track. Compared to East Coast Racer, Brooklands Suite or Voyager it's average. Apollo is probably my fav favourite track.
Perhaps the more stripped down sound hasn't done it for me, but I think it's the songwriting that has dipped compared to albums like TUY, EE pt 1 and 2, Folklaw and Grand Tour. Again I have played this album around 20 times and I'm not getting that same vibe from CG. Hope the next one strikes a better chord. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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I'm rambling a bit , but I think there was a clear continuity and consistency from Underfall yard through to The Grand Tour . This is a bit different featuring female vocals and an odd Longdon baritone. I suspect the spell of having such a settled line up has now been broken. However try finding me a better track than The Transit of Venus across the Sun and you've done well. My feeling is that their peak was Folklore ( not a bad or remotely weak track in site) and that a very slow decline set in after that. Eventually all good things come to pass. Most bands best album is around the 4th or 5th (for the sake of argument I am avoiding everything pre Underfall Yard when the line up was different) and BBT are no different imo.
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I love it.
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