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Poll Question: Isn't Priest a Prog Related Band?
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

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you haven't been listening properly.
Properly? What do you mean?

I listen to music my own way and come to my own conclusions. They don't always match the Saperlipopette conclusions. Why is that wrong/improper?
What is wrong is your own conclusion. That's why it's wrong.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Saper...! Saper...! wrote:

you haven't been listening properly.
Properly? What do you mean?

I listen to music my own way and come to my own conclusions. They don't always match the Saperlipopette conclusions. Why is that wrong/improper?
What is wrong is your own conclusion. That's why it's wrong.
So it's wrong because it's not yours. My opinion is wrong because it's not your opinion.

Edited by Hrychu - March 10 2024 at 00:25
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Do you have any clear and indisputable reasons why your opinion is the only one that should matter and others' different points of view are results of phony improper listening?

Do you have special certificates which prove that your methods of listening to Judas Priest are 100% correct and superior to other people's methods?

Edited by Hrychu - March 10 2024 at 00:33
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The sole activity of assigning a band to a certain stylistic template or any musical genre is preconception-based by definition. If I were to listen to Judas without my preconceptions I wouldn't be able to tell if it's prog related or not, or even if it's metal or non-metal.

The thing about progressive rock is that its features can't be scientifically isolated and defined with clockwork precision. So it's completely normal that Judas' relation to prog will vary from person to person, depending whose opinion you're listening to.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Saper...! Saper...! wrote:

you haven't been listening properly.
Properly? What do you mean?

I listen to music my own way and come to my own conclusions. They don't always match the Saperlipopette conclusions. Why is that wrong/improper?
What is wrong is your own conclusion. That's why it's wrong.
So it's wrong because it's not yours. My opinion is wrong because it's not your opinion.
No you're wrong because you're wrong. A lot of the key elements that defines "classic prog rock" are very easy to locate/hear in early Judas Priest. Many people hear it - that's why there's been quite a few discussions like this one here about them over the years. If you've actually listened to the albums in question, you should be able to hear it too. But you seemingly don't. And yes I write in the way I do, because I happen to think that I am correct and you are wrong. For me it's the same as if you wrote that there aren't any surreal elements in Gabriel-era Genesis-lyricism. I would bluntly state that "you are wrong" - just like I'm doing here. Not everything is just an opinion.


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Fine. It's not like a give a shіt about whether you, a fuсking internet nobody with a huge ego, say that I'm wrong with no clear argument to back up your claim. ;)

Quote For me it's the same as if you wrote that there aren't any surreal elements in Gabriel-era Genesis-lyricism.
But this however, is a logical fallacy. Surreal elements in lyrics can be clearly defined, while prog rock elements in Judas Priest's music can't, cause they're more vague. You're comparing apples to oranges here, come on.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Fine. It's not like a give a shіt about whether you, a fuсking internet nobody with a huge ego, say that I'm wrong with no clear argument to back up your claim. ;
From reading your posts it seems you very much give a sh*t though, so I'm not convinced

No one of us is backing up our arguments. I'm too lazy to get into it in english and do all this work for you. But I know what I and others hear - and what you fail to hear.

Isms - like Surrealism, and genres - like Prog Rock both has definitions. Of course one can deny that early Genesis lyricism has elements of surrealism - in the same way as one can deny that early Judas Priest has elements of Prog. And be equally wrong about both.


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I have to agree with Saperlipopette! on this one.  Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin all have progressive rock tendencies sprinkled without.  I also believe that latter period albums such as Painkiller and Nostradamus have prog metal elements within, and arguably Nostradamus could be considered a prog metal album.  Overall, Judas Priest are a heavy metal band and one of the poster children for the NWOBM movement. While I do not consider them a prog rock/metal band overall, by PA's definition of having released at least ONE prog album, I honestly believe that they could be listed here as a prog metal band because of Painkiller or Nostradamus, hence the logic of including them as a prog related band. 
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