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    Posted: May 22 2014 at 17:15
All my Friends and family love them but outside that small circle everyone in the UK seems to find them repetitive and depressing! They are massive in Europe though.

How come none of you have cottoned onto the progressive Archive? 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:06
I can't speak for Brits, but as an American I have never heard of them. Reading the lazy-man's guide to rock (Wikipedia), it would seem that Archive is not so much despised as ignored altogether. But hey, I do recognize Jonathan Noyce as one of their bassists. I cordially disliked his "contributions" to Jethro Tull.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:27
Because they're aren't progressive? It's mellow indie rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 00:13
Thanks.Never heard of them, I liked it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 00:20
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Because they're aren't progressive? It's mellow indie rock.

I tend to agree for the most part, some elements of progressive but way too formulaic for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 03:31
Strange thoughts, Archive don't really class themselves as anything but do make the point in interviews that their music is progressive, lol. 

It seems more dance, pop or electronic than rock to me for the most part..

Surely this is progressive, it just seems to me a tribute to Floyd's Echoes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 05:59
I have a feeling the UK can't identify with them because the usually take to an album with 2-4  lead singers. Musically they have a sound but definitely not vocally. Europe seems to be more pro-diversity than us. 

I mean this is far removed from mellow Indie rock. ...and I think lyrically it's about the UK turning their back on them or not letting them in.


Don't know what I'd class that as?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:09
^ I quite liked this. Kinda trippy minimalistic electronica with a touch of ambient/glitch which builds very nicely to a (rather predictable) anthemic conclusion which does outstay its welcome a tad. It could be argued there is a smidgin of Floyd and Porcupine Tree in the harmonies. Nothing here to warrant the Prog sticker though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:26
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I quite liked this. Kinda trippy minimalistic electronica with a touch of ambient/glitch which builds very nicely to a (rather predictable) anthemic conclusion which does outstay its welcome a tad. It could be argued there is a smidgin of Floyd and Porcupine Tree in the harmonies. Nothing here to warrant the Prog sticker though.

Thanks for the feedback! we will classify them before the day is out!!! 

Is this modern prog rock?



Someone on the comments is saying they are a modem psychedelic act? It all gets a bit Camel at 2.40 in. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:28
Never heard of them.

Sounds a little bland to me, but sometimes time takes time for things to sink in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:29
The first time I've listened to one of their songs was on the radio and I thought it was something from tangerine Dream until they started singing. The song was "Bullets" from "Controlling Crowd" which I have later bought.

Not all their output is prog, especially the first albums, but Controlling Crowd is a great album which I think is prog enough. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:41
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The first time I've listened to one of their songs was on the radio and I thought it was something from tangerine Dream until they started singing. The song was "Bullets" from "Controlling Crowd" which I have later bought.

Not all their output is prog, especially the first albums, but Controlling Crowd is a great album which I think is prog enough. 

First album was Trip Hop, Rap to normal folk and the 2nd undeniably pop, but the 3rd onwards are impossible to classify without being too eclectic either. The Floyd though started as a live dance act then Psyche outfit then prog, so similar patterns. 

Is the music too simple for prog rock fans?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:42
Nah, didn't really enjoy Dangervisit. Struck me at the start as sorta neo prog meets loop based music/ pale hip hop but this section was overly  repetitive with no redeeming hook. The groove changes feel quite markedly circa 4:19 to a more overtly rawk bent but it's a rather dull kit pattern that seems 'forced'. Is there a Roger Daltrey sample in there somewhere? I found the track to be a succession of decent parts that don't really belong together (especially the ending which just paddles down the sink like a drowned spider) Archive are clearly a very talented band but they just ain't my bag. I'm surprised the UK appears to ignore them as they strike me as having all the contemporary ingredients to be successful there


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:57
Thanks Lemmy! Nice breakdown.

Of course Archive are actually subliminally in the public imagination from the long running Garnier Olia advert music choice. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 09:14
Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The first time I've listened to one of their songs was on the radio and I thought it was something from tangerine Dream until they started singing. The song was "Bullets" from "Controlling Crowd" which I have later bought.

Not all their output is prog, especially the first albums, but Controlling Crowd is a great album which I think is prog enough. 

First album was Trip Hop, Rap to normal folk and the 2nd undeniably pop, but the 3rd onwards are impossible to classify without being too eclectic either. The Floyd though started as a live dance act then Psyche outfit then prog, so similar patterns. 

Is the music too simple for prog rock fans?
They are on this site.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 09:19
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The first time I've listened to one of their songs was on the radio and I thought it was something from tangerine Dream until they started singing. The song was "Bullets" from "Controlling Crowd" which I have later bought.

Not all their output is prog, especially the first albums, but Controlling Crowd is a great album which I think is prog enough. 

First album was Trip Hop, Rap to normal folk and the 2nd undeniably pop, but the 3rd onwards are impossible to classify without being too eclectic either. The Floyd though started as a live dance act then Psyche outfit then prog, so similar patterns. 

Is the music too simple for prog rock fans?
They are on this site.


That's why I asked you all why they aren't liked or listened to! 

Crossover prog!! Strong ratings btw.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 20:35
Listening to With Us Until We're Dead right now. Very interesting; trip-hop with a strong cinematic scope. Prog-related would work as a classification, or Crossover.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 20:53
It looks like 'Why can't Brits stand?'--   I was gonna say the beer.

See now that's the kind of good-natured cultural humor we can live with (I hope).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2014 at 23:14
I have, and love, Controlling Crowds.  It's not prog in the classic sens, but has some resemblance, and enough other interesting stuff to make it very fine.  Heard and liked WUUYD, but didn't make the effort to seek out a copy to buy.  If I could find it in a local store I definitely would!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2014 at 02:08
Perhaps its just very dull and uninteresting. I like ambient based music but is it better than Hogarth and Barbiere's The Hand Not The Weapon or the Storm Corosion albums?
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