Why can't Brits stand Archive?
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Topic: Why can't Brits stand Archive?
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Subject: Why can't Brits stand Archive?
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 17:15
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All my Friends and family love them but outside that small circle everyone in the UK seems to find them repetitive and depressing! They are massive in Europe though. How come none of you have cottoned onto the progressive Archive? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:06
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I can't speak for Brits, but as an American I have never heard of them. Reading the lazy-man's guide to rock (Wikipedia), it would seem that Archive is not so much despised as ignored altogether. But hey, I do recognize Jonathan Noyce as one of their bassists. I cordially disliked his "contributions" to Jethro Tull. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:27
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Because they're aren't progressive? It's mellow indie rock.
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 00:13
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Thanks.Never heard of them, I liked it. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 00:20
I tend to agree for the most part, some elements of progressive but way too formulaic for me. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 03:31
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Strange thoughts, Archive don't really class themselves as anything but do make the point in interviews that their music is progressive, lol. It seems more dance, pop or electronic than rock to me for the most part.. Surely this is progressive, it just seems to me a tribute to Floyd's Echoes. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 05:59
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I have a feeling the UK can't identify with them because the usually take to an album with 2-4 lead singers. Musically they have a sound but definitely not vocally. Europe seems to be more pro-diversity than us. I mean this is far removed from mellow Indie rock. ...and I think lyrically it's about the UK turning their back on them or not letting them in. Don't know what I'd class that as? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:09
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^ I quite liked this. Kinda trippy minimalistic electronica with a touch of ambient/glitch which builds very nicely to a (rather predictable) anthemic conclusion which does outstay its welcome a tad. It could be argued there is a smidgin of Floyd and Porcupine Tree in the harmonies. Nothing here to warrant the Prog sticker though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:26
Thanks for the feedback! we will classify them before the day is out!!! Is this modern prog rock? Someone on the comments is saying they are a modem psychedelic act? It all gets a bit Camel at 2.40 in.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:28
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Never heard of them.
Sounds a little bland to me, but sometimes time takes time for things to sink in. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:29
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The first time I've listened to one of their songs was on the radio and I thought it was something from tangerine Dream until they started singing. The song was "Bullets" from "Controlling Crowd" which I have later bought. Not all their output is prog, especially the first albums, but Controlling Crowd is a great album which I think is prog enough. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:41
First album was Trip Hop, Rap to normal folk and the 2nd undeniably pop, but the 3rd onwards are impossible to classify without being too eclectic either. The Floyd though started as a live dance act then Psyche outfit then prog, so similar patterns. Is the music too simple for prog rock fans? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:42
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Nah, didn't really enjoy Dangervisit. Struck me at the start as sorta neo prog meets loop based music/ pale hip hop but this section was overly repetitive with no redeeming hook. The groove changes feel quite markedly circa 4:19 to a more overtly rawk bent but it's a rather dull kit pattern that seems 'forced'. Is there a Roger Daltrey sample in there somewhere? I found the track to be a succession of decent parts that don't really belong together (especially the ending which just paddles down the sink like a drowned spider) Archive are clearly a very talented band but they just ain't my bag. I'm surprised the UK appears to ignore them as they strike me as having all the contemporary ingredients to be successful there -------------
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 07:57
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Thanks Lemmy! Nice breakdown. Of course Archive are actually subliminally in the public imagination from the long running Garnier Olia advert music choice. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 09:14
They are on this site. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=840" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=840 ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 09:19
That's why I asked you all why they aren't liked or listened to! Crossover prog!! Strong ratings btw.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 20:35
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Listening to With Us Until We're Dead right now. Very interesting; trip-hop with a strong cinematic scope. Prog-related would work as a classification, or Crossover. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 20:53
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It looks like 'Why can't Brits stand?'-- I was gonna say the beer. See now that's the kind of good-natured cultural humor we can live with (I hope). ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 23:14
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I have, and love, Controlling Crowds. It's not prog in the classic sens, but has some resemblance, and enough other interesting stuff to make it very fine. Heard and liked WUUYD, but didn't make the effort to seek out a copy to buy. If I could find it in a local store I definitely would!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 24 2014 at 02:08
| Perhaps its just very dull and uninteresting. I like ambient based music but is it better than Hogarth and Barbiere's The Hand Not The Weapon or the Storm Corosion albums? |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 24 2014 at 03:54
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They have become very passionate in their last few albums, they have 1 out Monday and the opening track blows me away around the 1.25 mark. It's like Massive attack meets Peter Gabriel. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: deandob
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 05:37
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Really digging 'Again' from You Look All The Same To Me. Very prog (Floyd / PT influenced). I have listened to a number of their albums and this band dishes up a variety of music. 'Come on get high' from Controlling Crowds part IV is a simple track (more electronic than prog) but grows on you.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 05:42
Note for the admin: I think this thread should be moved to
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 06:27
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^Done ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 17:24
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After I listened to Floyd to death I started on their bootlegs, demos and unreleased material to keep my interest up. I'm doing the same with Archive and have found some beauts!!! Undeniably Camel around the 4.05 mark, whilst retaining that fresh Archive Trip Hop inspired prog trademark sound. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 14:24
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Very Floyd influenced - and isn't at all Camel at 4:10??? It's alright but I didn't think - WOW - must buy !!! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 14:57
Camel Air born 2.26 Archive musically are very similar to Camel at times imo, progressive loops etc, but with a modern twist. Instead of the flute/panpipes Archive employ the cello and strings.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 27 2014 at 10:29
| Gee, I've never really thought of asking the north Londoner three doors north of me here in West L.A. what he thinks of the archive. Sounds like an interesting survey to pose to the patrons of the Cock and Bull pub down the street on Lincoln Blvd. between Venice and Santa Monica. I'd probably be told that I'm daft, though. |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 27 2014 at 15:43
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To be honest I think Archive want to create the magic of Echoes, Saucerful of Secrets, Mudmen and keep you waiting for the good bits. Here at 2.55 the Cello Kicks in and you realise they are cut from the same cloth, at 3.10 the 2nd Cello kicks in evoking a bit of that rare teary-eyed emotion that came with listening to Pink Floyd's sheer brilliance. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 28 2014 at 12:53
I thought the use of timbres merited a Prog ribbon. I'm not sure about what else. It's certainly music for the patient. It takes awhile interesting things to develop. That's a sore spot I also have with Van der Graaf Generator. There were two or three times when they had a droning thing going not unlike VdGG, just missin the sax(es). |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 28 2014 at 17:36
You have to be very very patient with Archive, I think even the most ardent UK prog fans find them way too demanding, but I love how they slowly build layers, like Steve does on the end of 'Shadow of the Hierophant.' I think this is Archive's longest song, a real modern Prog classic with yet another nod to Floyd's 'Echoes' at the start. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 17 2014 at 14:44
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Reviewer sent to see why the UK don't like Archive... http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4147852-revisiting-archive ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOoJ0OTLg0&t" rel="nofollow - Click here to see a mind-blowing Flashlight |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 17 2014 at 15:55
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Someone on the site here put up a video from a live performance and I loved it, bought the cd but could only muster 3 stars overall despite that one amazing tune. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |