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The Prognaut 
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Joined: April 14 2004 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 1492 |
 Topic: Which should be really in here?Posted: June 05 2004 at 00:45 |
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Over the past two weeks, or at least through most part of them; there have many discussions regarding which bands should be added up to the archives. Some say they ain't prog, some say they kinda are, some others may say “what's the point of this stupid poll anyway?”. I say let's get this over with already and we ought to let know the admins what we really think. I just pointed out the bands we've been arguing about lately, but please feel free to make the bands you think are prog stand out in here! Let's get it on…
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 02:18 |
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It's not my intention to force anybody to include Uriah Heep, but I'l give my opinion about this band and why I believe is progressive, the decision to include them is not in my hands, but I do believe they deserve it, so let's go to history: Pre Uriah Heep: Ken Hensley and Lee Kerslake both members of Uriah Heep formed with Greg Lake part of "The Gods", a psychedelic/proto prog band of the late 60's, so the historical background of two of the principal members is related with progressive rock. Uriah Heep: Their first album Uriah Heep specially the UK version Very Eavy Very Umble is full of Mellotron and already has some progressive songs like Gypsy, Bird of Prey, Circle of Hands and Dreammare which succesfully blend operatic's, British Pstychedelia and of coutse early progressive metal. "Look at Yourself", their second album contains at least rhree tracks that are 100% progressive, the symphonic epic July Morning, the complex Look at Yourself and the magnificent Tears in my Eyes. Salisbury contains the baroque Salisbury, the acoustic The Park and the spacey Lady in Black, all progressive, plus a new version of Bird of Prey. "Demons and Wizards" and "The Magicians Birthday" are both progressive albums and the first predecessors of a new sub-genre called Progressive Metal. Later albums keep the progressive sound but after a few years and may personal changes and tragedies they became more metalic than prog'. Uriah Heep was born as a progressive metal band that abandoned the style after 6 or 7 albums, but Genesis did the same and nobody doubts they are Icons of Progressive Rock. Iván Edited by ivan_2068 |
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Aquarius
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Joined: May 06 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 90 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 02:26 |
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I vote none, but I think if any of the above bands should be in here it's Uriah Heep. I agree that lots of their songs can be seen as early progressive rock/metal. When I listen to present day progressive metal bands I still hear Heep's influences. Edited by Aquarius |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 03:01 |
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Uriah Heep for sure especially the early stuff.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 03:54 |
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Go for it Ivan! Max has kindly told me that Uriah Heep will be included at some stage, but they are a big job. |
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richardh
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 04:21 |
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Not sure Also other bands to be considered: Lone Star - very definetly 'prog metal' Be Bop Deluxe - very proggy The Tubes - where else can they go??
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:09 |
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HI, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA. My vote goes to Uriah Heep, too - a hard rock band, bordering on art rock, infused with some notable progressive leanings, specially their first six albums. |
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Hammar
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Joined: February 13 2004 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 132 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:10 |
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None of them!! I'm not familiar with the Uriah Heep discography, though... Arcturus? Now way!! I like the band, particularly LA Masquerade, but not here.. Same with Anathema, I don't see why they are included. Even if they have made one of my favourite ballads (in 5/4...
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diddy
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:40 |
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Hmm I thought of Uriah Heep, I love them but I don't thnk they are prog...even if Salisbury was but not enough of their stuff is qualified so I voted for "None of them..."
anathema...they use unsual time sigs but that's not enough...But I really liked their new album...but no prog, sorry... Edited by diddy |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:47 |
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Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit. The first 2 are pure prog, with much fine experimentation in classical styles and tape loops. Even later they produced some amazing stuff buried beneath the pop singles; the title track of "Innuendo" being a prime example. "Innuendo" was almost a return to form, with some superb epic writing in "The Show Must Go On", and some out-there stuff in "I'm Going Slightly Mad". It's more prog than anything Genesis produced in the late 1980s, that's for sure! It's too easy to overlook Queen as a prog band because of the high proliferation of their hit singles, but most albums contain one or two amazing little gems.
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lucas
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:55 |
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I totally agree. Moreover Steve Howe made a guest appearance in "Innuendo". |
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DoomHammer
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Joined: May 25 2004 Location: Egypt Status: Offline Points: 128 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:57 |
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I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums.
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emdiar
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Joined: June 05 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 890 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 15:49 |
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Hallo prog-people!
Queen introduced my tender ten year old musical mind to the concept that a song need not be confined to a 3 minute pop format. Their complex arrangments of highly melodic song structures are pure prog and prepared my young ears for a life time of wanting more than the ordinary. I'm not sure every song a band does really needs to be prog to make them worthy of the title. I could name many a song by the likes of Yes and Genesis (even from the early 70's) which, on their own, one would be hard pushed to call prog, but which in the context of their respective albums, nevertheless make the grade. Non of side one (of the vinyl pressing) of Meddle, by Pink Floyd, is prog with the possible exception of "One Of These Days", yet I doubt a poll entitled "Floyd, Prog or not?" would anything other than a one-sided affair. Some of my fellow school boy prog heads back in '79/'80 considered ELO to be card carrying Progsters, and If you listen to "Out of the Blue" you may hear what they meant. They never quite did it for me but that double album is a good'un! |
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The Prognaut
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Joined: April 14 2004 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 1492 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 16:01 |
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Yuou definitely right Cert. "News of the world" (a very moody album btw), was the first QUEEN album I ever got and despite the forced comparisons I had to make regarding the bands I was listening at that time (Floyd, Genesis, ELP), I considered them as prog influenced band and started to increase my QUEEN personal collection. I even consider "The Game" as a proggy revealing album, it's got mostly all to convince yourself they indeed play prog rock. Subsequent releases like "Hot Space", "The Works" and "Made In Heaven" are great, but out of prog boundaries. Regards, Land |
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 16:11 |
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mmm... undoubtedly Vibe, but I'm not completely convinced of that... Now: Just because Ken Hensley's appeared as guest musician in Ayreon's latest album ("The Human Equation"), doesn't mean he's actually a prog musician or was one during his Uriah Heep era... maybe, just maybe, he's influenced by prog music, but to be perfectly fair to the other bands mentioned in here, he's not prog and neither is Uriah Heep... |
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DoomHammer
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Joined: May 25 2004 Location: Egypt Status: Offline Points: 128 |
Posted: June 05 2004 at 18:28 |
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well emdiar i didnt say ALL songs must be prog, i only meant that for a band to do one or two proggy tracks every now and then it doesnt make them prog. I think they are more proggy than the other bands here but they are not a progressive rock band. Anyway, the archives also includes Anathema and Savatage and they both have nothing to do with prog, so if they are here i think Queen deserves it too.. Me too, the first rock album i ever bought was Queen greatest hits back in 1990 when i was just 8 |
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Marcelo
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 20:29 |
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I can't vote, because all these bands have some proggy approach in some albums (or songs at least), but they aren't essentially prog. Beatles' Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road second face , The Who's Quadrophenia, Queen's first and second and Bohemian Rhapsody, etc. BTW, there are hundreds of bands and musicians with some proggy approachs, from metal to pop, and there are many originally prog bands with terrible non-prog albums (Genesis is the most clear example), but nobody could suggest send Genesis off from here.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 03:56 |
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The Prognaut
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Joined: April 14 2004 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 1492 |
Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:23 |
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[/QUOTE] C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.[/QUOTE] Wanna put some salt on that? I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing... |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:24 |
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Actually, if you listen to the first two Queen albums, they are entirely prog - and "Day At the Races" and "Night at the Opera" are a part of the same concept - a kind of double concept album, if you like. The latter particularly is more prog than you might think, IMO.
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.Uriah Heep have never been talked about as a major prog act although they tend to be universally ignored in any case.Would they be classed as 'prog metal' I wonder? 
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