It's not my intention to force anybody to include Uriah Heep, but I'l give my opinion about this band and why I believe is progressive, the decision to include them is not in my hands, but I do believe they deserve it, so let's go to history:

Pre Uriah Heep: Ken Hensley and Lee Kerslake both members of Uriah Heep formed with Greg Lake part of "The Gods", a psychedelic/proto prog band of the late 60's, so the historical background of two of the principal members is related with progressive rock.

Uriah Heep: Their first album Uriah Heep specially the UK version Very Eavy Very Umble is full of Mellotron and already has some progressive songs like Gypsy, Bird of Prey, Circle of Hands and Dreammare which succesfully blend operatic's, British Pstychedelia and of coutse early progressive metal.

"Look at Yourself", their second album contains at least rhree tracks that are 100% progressive, the symphonic epic July Morning, the complex Look at Yourself and the magnificent Tears in my Eyes.

Salisbury contains the baroque Salisbury, the acoustic The Park and the spacey Lady in Black, all progressive, plus a new version of Bird of Prey.

"Demons and Wizards" and "The Magicians Birthday" are both progressive albums and the first predecessors of a new sub-genre called Progressive Metal.

Later albums keep the progressive sound but after a few years and may personal changes and tragedies they became more metalic than prog'.

Uriah Heep was born as a progressive metal band that abandoned the style after 6 or 7 albums, but Genesis did the same and nobody doubts they are Icons of Progressive Rock.

Iván

I vote none, but I think if any of the above bands should be in here it's Uriah Heep.

I agree that lots of their songs can be seen as early progressive rock/metal.

When I listen to present day progressive metal bands I still hear Heep's influences.

Go for it Ivan!

Max has kindly told me that Uriah Heep will be included at some stage, but they are a big job.

Not sure.Uriah Heep have never been talked about as a major prog act although they tend to be universally ignored in any case.Would they be classed as 'prog metal' I wonder?

Also other bands to be considered:

Lone Star - very definetly 'prog metal'

Be Bop Deluxe - very proggy

The Tubes - where else can they go??

HI, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA.

My vote goes to Uriah Heep, too - a hard rock band, bordering on art rock, infused with some notable progressive leanings, specially their first six albums.

None of them!!

I'm not familiar with the Uriah Heep discography, though...

Arcturus? Now way!! I like the band, particularly LA Masquerade, but not here..

Same with Anathema, I don't see why they are included. Even if they have made one of my favourite ballads (in 5/4...)

Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit.

The first 2 are pure prog, with much fine experimentation in classical styles and tape loops.

Even later they produced some amazing stuff buried beneath the pop singles; the title track of "Innuendo" being a prime example. "Innuendo" was almost a return to form, with some superb epic writing in "The Show Must Go On", and some out-there stuff in "I'm Going Slightly Mad". It's more prog than anything Genesis produced in the late 1980s, that's for sure!

It's too easy to overlook Queen as a prog band because of the high proliferation of their hit singles, but most albums contain one or two amazing little gems.

Certif1ed wrote: Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit. The first 2 are pure prog, with much fine experimentation in classical styles and tape loops. Even later they produced some amazing stuff buried beneath the pop singles; the title track of "Innuendo" being a prime example. "Innuendo" was almost a return to form, with some superb epic writing in "The Show Must Go On", and some out-there stuff in "I'm Going Slightly Mad". It's more prog than anything Genesis produced in the late 1980s, that's for sure! It's too easy to overlook Queen as a prog band because of the high proliferation of their hit singles, but most albums contain one or two amazing little gems.

I totally agree. Moreover Steve Howe made a guest appearance in "Innuendo".

Hallo prog-people!

DoomHammer wrote: I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums.

Queen introduced my tender ten year old musical mind to the concept that a song need not be confined to a 3 minute pop format. Their complex arrangments of highly melodic song structures are pure prog and prepared my young ears for a life time of wanting more than the ordinary.

I'm not sure every song a band does really needs to be prog to make them worthy of the title. I could name many a song by the likes of Yes and Genesis (even from the early 70's) which, on their own, one would be hard pushed to call prog, but which in the context of their respective albums, nevertheless make the grade. Non of side one (of the vinyl pressing) of Meddle, by Pink Floyd, is prog with the possible exception of "One Of These Days", yet I doubt a poll entitled "Floyd, Prog or not?" would anything other than a one-sided affair.

Some of my fellow school boy prog heads back in '79/'80 considered ELO to be card carrying Progsters, and If you listen to "Out of the Blue" you may hear what they meant. They never quite did it for me but that double album is a good'un!

Certif1ed wrote: Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit.

Yuou definitely right Cert. "News of the world" (a very moody album btw), was the first QUEEN album I ever got and despite the forced comparisons I had to make regarding the bands I was listening at that time (Floyd, Genesis, ELP), I considered them as prog influenced band and started to increase my QUEEN personal collection. I even consider "The Game" as a proggy revealing album, it's got mostly all to convince yourself they indeed play prog rock. Subsequent releases like "Hot Space", "The Works" and "Made In Heaven" are great, but out of prog boundaries.

Regards,

Land

Vibrationbaby wrote: Uriah Heep for sure especially the early stuff.

mmm... undoubtedly Vibe, but I'm not completely convinced of that...

Now:

Just because Ken Hensley's appeared as guest musician in Ayreon's latest album ("The Human Equation"), doesn't mean he's actually a prog musician or was one during his Uriah Heep era... maybe, just maybe, he's influenced by prog music, but to be perfectly fair to the other bands mentioned in here, he's not prog and neither is Uriah Heep...

well emdiar i didnt say ALL songs must be prog, i only meant that for a band to do one or two proggy tracks every now and then it doesnt make them prog. I think they are more proggy than the other bands here but they are not a progressive rock band. Anyway, the archives also includes Anathema and Savatage and they both have nothing to do with prog, so if they are here i think Queen deserves it too..

Me too, the first rock album i ever bought was Queen greatest hits back in 1990 when i was just 8

[/QUOTE] C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.[/QUOTE]

Wanna put some salt on that?

I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing...

DoomHammer wrote: I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums.

Actually, if you listen to the first two Queen albums, they are entirely prog - and "Day At the Races" and "Night at the Opera" are a part of the same concept - a kind of double concept album, if you like. The latter particularly is more prog than you might think, IMO.

landberkdoten wrote:

Wanna put some salt on that?

I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing...

Vibrationbaby wrote: landberkdoten wrote: C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.

Wanna put some salt on that?

I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing...

[/QUOTE] "The Wizard" just with the lyrics alone is prog. I'll saturate it with salt.[/QUOTE]

Ok, ok... I just happen to cave-in when women talk me that way

Nah... I think you're somehow right, but just wanted to give you a harsh time

I once converted a Motorhead/Sabbath fan into a Prog head via the first 3 Queen albums. Within a few weeks he was listening to Steve Hillage, Floyd, Wakeman and the Enid (!!!). Here are the songs (in blue) which are imo prog with a capital P.

Q1; Keep Yourself Alive, Doing Alright, Great King Rat, My Fairy King, Liar, The Night Comes Down, Modern Times Rock & Roll, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Seven Seas Of Rhye.   (ie 7/10ths Prog)

Q2; Procession, Father to son, White Queen, Someday One Day, The Loser In The End, Ogre Battle, The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke, Nevermore, The March Of The Black Queen, Funny How Love Is, Seven Seas OF Rhye.  (9/11ths Prog)

Sheer Heart Attack; Brighton Rock, Killer Queen, Tenement Funster, Flick Of The Wrist, Lily Of THe Valley, Now I'm Here, In The Lap Of The Gods, Stone Cold Crazy, Dear Friends, Misfire, Bring Back Leroy Brown, She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilletoes), In The Lap of the Gods... Revisited.  (7/13, but the rest are great rock and/or ballads)

And what about The Prophet Song and Bohemian Rhapsody, yet to come? Can't get more Prog than them!!

emdiar wrote: I once converted a Motorhead/Sabbath fan into a Prog head via the first 3 Queen albums. Within a few weeks he was listening to Steve Hillage, Floyd, Wakeman and the Enid (!!!). Here are the songs (in blue) which are imo prog with a capital P. Q1; Keep Yourself Alive, Doing Alright, Great King Rat, My Fairy King, Liar, The Night Comes Down, Modern Times Rock & Roll, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Seven Seas Of Rhye.   (ie 7/10ths Prog) Q2; Procession, Father to son, White Queen, Someday One Day, The Loser In The End, Ogre Battle, The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke, Nevermore, The March Of The Black Queen, Funny How Love Is, Seven Seas OF Rhye.  (9/11ths Prog) Sheer Heart Attack; Brighton Rock, Killer Queen, Tenement Funster, Flick Of The Wrist, Lily Of THe Valley, Now I'm Here, In The Lap Of The Gods, Stone Cold Crazy, Dear Friends, Misfire, Bring Back Leroy Brown, She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilletoes), In The Lap of the Gods... Revisited.  (7/13, but the rest are great rock and/or ballads) And what about The Prophet Song and Bohemian Rhapsody, yet to come? Can't get more Prog than them!!

C'mon ! Queen Prog? i really dont feel that, even the songs you mentioned i only find them rock, plain rock, maybe some Rock and roll but not pro1. It's just that the time those albums were made was a proggy time, all rock bands then seemed prog. just like in 80's most metal bands were either like metallica, slayer, judas priest or death, and even in this musical dark ages we are living in most bands seem useless hardcore or alternative.

Maybe b'cause Camel, Pink Floyd and Marillion are my Prog heroes i can be a little closed minded about my definition of prog rock and about Queen being a prog band although i love'em

Hi Doomhammer, I don't know if I'd call them "plain" rock. Queen were so unique that it's hard to link them to a contemperary, and perhaps that's why so many Prog heads have a problem including them. I, too, put them into a different catagory of Prog to Yes/Genesis/ELP but all those three differ and Floyd belong somewhere else all together. All these Bands are nevertheless Prog. No "plain" rock band has ever proffered such lush symphonic guitar work as Brian May, more than making up for the lack of electronic keyboards, and as for the vocal arrangements.....Prog mate! Prog prog PROG!

If you still take issue, please allow me to refer you to my motto, as written below.

Joren wrote: CAPTAIN BEEFHEART deserves a spot!

YES JOREN, CAPTAIN BEEFHEART FOR SURE

I said before i love Queen and they are the first rock band for me ever  besides saying "plain" rock doesnt mean "bad" rock. i just have a picture of queen that doesnt fit in the place of progressive rock in my head  

i still think they are not prog, not prog, not prog  (never said it's a fact)

anyway if they are included in the archives then they belong here more than another bands that are already here

Arcturus > La Masquerade Infernal deserves a spot.

*waits for the rotten tomatoes to be hurled in my direction*

moonchild wrote: Arcturus > La Masquerade Infernal deserves a spot. *waits for the rotten tomatoes to be hurled in my direction*

"Squish! Thud! Bam! Yaaaaargh!"   <----- moon right after the tomato shower!!!

Great doom metal band BTW... but definitely not prog

moonchild wrote: Oh well At least I'm not the only one that picked it.

You damn right! So it looks like somebody's still missing to be tomatoe hurled!

Arcturus' fans volunteers?

DoomHammer wrote: I said before i love Queen and they are the first rock band for me ever  besides saying "plain" rock doesnt mean "bad" rock. i just have a picture of queen that doesnt fit in the place of progressive rock in my head   i still think they are not prog, not prog, not prog  (never said it's a fact) anyway if they are included in the archives then they belong here more than another bands that are already here

Ok, by way of contradicting myself I must observe that where as every Yes fan I've ever met counts his/her self a Proghead, it seems quite easy to be a Queen fan with no such affiliations.

emdiar wrote: Ok, by way of contradicting myself I must observe that where as every Yes fan I've ever met counts his/her self a Proghead, it seems quite easy to be a Queen fan with no such affiliations.

i hate affiliations too, i listen to 50's sinatra, prog and even death metal.

BTW, everybody loves QUEEN , i've never seen anybody that hates queen. they are the champions

None of them is Prog.

Although if I absolutely HAD to pick one, I'd say Uriah Heep.

Be Bop Deluxe are an excellent band- but I'm not sure about them being prog. If they were under the art rock banner, I couldn't argue with that though.

I don't care.