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    Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:01

OK, a subject much dodged around, Lets go in all guns blazing...in terms of prog metal, what do y'all make of the Master Of Puppets album? I personally think, in terms of prog metal, that it is rather prog and is definitely an influence for many bands that are actually known as prog metal.

Come on, just listen to this album! I hate thrash metal but I LOVE Master Of Puppets. The song structures are inventive, listenable and very varied. They are also of a very substantial length.

Your turn! :P

I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:04

Metallica=non prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:08
Thanks for that...anyone else?
I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:09
Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

OK, a subject much dodged around, Lets go in all guns blazing...in terms of prog metal, what do y'all make of the Master Of Puppets album? I personally think, in terms of prog metal, that it is rather prog and is definitely an influence for many bands that are actually known as prog metal.

Come on, just listen to this album! I hate thrash metal but I LOVE Master Of Puppets. The song structures are inventive, listenable and very varied. They are also of a very substantial length.

Your turn! :P

Absolutely right!!!

It's the first prog metal album - at least, first in terms of what is now called prog metal (as everyone knows, Rush were first).

Ride The Lightning is a kind of proto-prog metal, but Master really underpins everything that's happening in prog metal now - nearly 20 years on.

Even Dream Theater seem to recognise this, as they covered the album in it's entirity - and had real difficulties doing so.

It's prog metal alright. No question.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:09
It has progressive moments, but nothing I would call Prog Metal. And Orion is easily one of my favorite instrumentals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:11

I wonder how Metallica might have developed if Cliff hadn't died.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:11
in that case... I vote for.....And justice for all..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:12
I absolutly think its prog metal, nothing to talk about yust lisen to it its very progresiv... and a great album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:13
but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:17
Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

I totally agree with that  How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:19

Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.

I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:20
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

I totally agree with that  How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?

It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so progressive.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:21
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

I totally agree with that  How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?

Master Of Puppets is, and Ride The Lightning also. The rest is raw Metal (Kill 'Em All), Thrash (... And Justice For All), Modern (Commercial) Metal (The Black Album, Load, Reload) and Emocore Foobar Trash (St. Anger). 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:22
Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

I totally agree with that  How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?

It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so progressive.

unchanging??? I love those statements that show that they didn't even listen to the album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:24
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.

I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....

See my thread in non-prog music about the history of metal. I hadn't thought that Hendrix was metal, but I've been told otherwise by many of the older (err... more experienced) members here. In fact, High Tide (1968) seem to be the first prog metal band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:24
I really like the album, but NOT prog, in my opinion at least
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:25
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

I totally agree with that  How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?

It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so progressive.

unchanging??? I love those statements that show that they didn't even listen to the album.


Yep... that's the only reason.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:25
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.

I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....

See my thread in non-prog music about the history of metal. I hadn't thought that Hendrix was metal, but I've been told otherwise by many of the older (err... more experienced) members here. In fact, High Tide (1968) seem to be the first prog metal band.

Eh... Well it all depends on your views on such things, but oh well...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:26
I'm sticking with my prog opinion. :)
I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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