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    Posted: October 05 2010 at 15:21
It is with a pain in my chest that I write this short entry. As I was driving home from school today, my sister (who has poor taste on music), turned on the new Kanye West single. I am by no means a Kanye fan so I tried my darndest to ignore it and imagine a better song. Unfortunately I was shocked out of this state when I heard a sampling or the classic opener from "In the Court of the Crimson King", "21st Century Schizoid Man". Sickened, I felt that I had to share this horrible news with my fellow proggers so that we are able to discuss together how we should go about dealing with this.
 
My fear is that this will spur "false fans" or people pretending to know the music of King Crimson which will inevitably diminish their greatness in the eys of those who do no know of them. I truly hope that this single does not become too popular (wishful thinking I know) because I am not quite sure that I could handle modern music fans latching on to King Crimson in any way.
 
Please feel free to discuss anything that you like pertaining to this issue on the comments section below whether it be feelings about this or solutions to the problem. I hope that perhaps this will unite us prog fans even more in dealing with the aftermath of this horrible tragedy. Some of you may think that I am being melodramati, and I am, but that is only to illustrate to those of us who may be indifferent, how potent this issue is. What's next, Yes samples, Pink Floyd Samples, etc.?
 
In conclusion, I hope that we can come up with a successful resolution to this problem.
 
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 15:24
LOL

Are you a relative of NecronCommander?

This thread needs to be closed (like the last one).
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Points: 12294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 15:25
Old news is pre-history old.
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To the OP, just FYI, here is a link to a previous thread that discussed this topic.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71796&PID=3878653#3878653  It has since been closed by the admins, but it will probably give you an idea of what PA members thought of this new Kanye song.
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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 15:33
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My bad, I am a new member so I haven't seen those other posts, sorry for wasting everyones time. Still disgusting though.
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Points: 66255 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 16:03
Not a problem.  That is why I attached a link for you, figuring that you wouldn't have seen it.
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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 16:37
Oh, wait, you were serious?

That's...huh. 

Wow. 
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Points: 756 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 16:49
Originally posted by AFBerk010 AFBerk010 wrote:


 I am not quite sure that I could handle modern music fans latching on to King Crimson in any way.


Wouldn't that be a best-case scenario?
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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 16:52
Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

Originally posted by AFBerk010 AFBerk010 wrote:


 I am not quite sure that I could handle modern music fans latching on to King Crimson in any way.


Wouldn't that be a best-case scenario?

I guess he's not too psyched that I listen to King Crimson. 
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I would rather good bands like KC not get attention simply because they've been featured in a Kanye song. One of the nice things about being a fan of some bands is that you do not have to deal with people who really don't know what they are talking about with regard to that band. For example, there are quite a number of people who claim to be a "fan" of an artist simply because they know one song from either guitar hero or rock band. From there, the band (in this case KC) would lose credibility with people who are interested in their music.
 
If you fit the criteria that I just mentioned 40footwolf, then you are completely accurate in saying that I would not be too psyched about you listening to KC. However, if you are familiar with their catalogue and have made an effort to get to know the band and their materail then I would have no problem with you being a fan.
 
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Who cares if they "lose credibility"? Just listen to what you like to listen to and if you're really a fan of the music of the band, and not a fan of the IMAGE of the band, you won't really care what anyone else is saying about them. 

Here, let's play a quick game: Within the next 10 minutes, name 5 ways Kanye West using a King Crimson sample in a song you don't like has significantly effected you personally?

...Nothing? Okay: 5 ways Kanye West using a King Crimson sample in a song you don't like has significantly effected the music industry. That one should be pretty easy if this is as huge of a problem as you make it out to be, right?

...Okay, uh, how about even this, this should be easiest of all: 5 ways Kanye West using a King Crimson sample in a song you don't like has significantly effected progressive rock as a whole. That one shouldn't be too hard, right?

Pick any category, I'm not choosy. 
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 18:38
Who cares if some Pop artist uses a King Crimson sample? It has nothing to do with the band or their fans. 
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 18:41
...And how the hell is this exactly a 'blog'?
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 18:48
This atrocious crime against culture has already been discussed far too often.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 18:59
 
Originally posted by AFBerk010 AFBerk010 wrote:

My fear is that this will spur "false fans" or people pretending to know the music of King Crimson which will inevitably diminish their greatness in the eys of those who do no know of them. I truly hope that this single does not become too popular (wishful thinking I know) because I am not quite sure that I could handle modern music fans latching on to King Crimson in any way. 

This opinion is dumb.
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Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 19:01
I personally think that it would be cool if more people got into prog. More people getting into prog means people would be gravitating towards more intelligent music and therefore, more good music would be made...
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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 19:04
I just heard the song, but it horribly incorporates the sample it. still nice to hear a moment of good stuff in such a horrible song.
 
 
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 19:08
What an awful, awful, awful initial post.
 
Except he is joking. I know he said he wasn't but he is.
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Points: 18 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 19:46

May as well address everyone on this.

First, 40footwolf you can be cever all you want but it doesn't make your point any better and repeating it three times doesn't help either mate.
 
Second WalterDigsTunes, I agree.
 
Third, Henry Plainview, opinions people's personal thoughts and views, while you may not agree with it that doesn't make it stupid.
 
Fourth, Connor Fynes, it would be nice if prog mainstreamed and stayed good but most times when a genre manstreams it turns to uteer crap. I'll give examples if you want,
 
Finally, thank you textbook for pointing out the obvious joking tone to the piece. The over exaggeration and other such things didn't tip any body off? I don't like the sample but come on this is a little bit over done to be serious.
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