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    Posted: April 03 2010 at 16:32
I feel they should be considered prog-related due to their first two albums. There is no doubt in my mind that L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come are progressive metal. It's kind of like how Journey started out progressive but eventually just did pop rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.D._50_(album)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_All_Things_to_Come

http://www.webofmetal.com/products/16548-ld-50-mudvayne
http://www.webofmetal.com/products/10946-the-end-of-all-things-to-come-mudvayne
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Points: 34076 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:13
hmm seems interesting need to bye some of them soon, nice art-work as well as I went throgh all their albums on wikipedia.

how do they sound like
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:18
Sure, what's next? Nickelback?
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:25
Hmmm... Limp Bizkit? Coal Chamber? Deftones? Papa Roach?
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:29
oh hay look its prawg
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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:37
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Sure, what's next? Nickelback?


Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Hmmm... Limp Bizkit? Coal Chamber? Deftones? Papa Roach?


Yes, because they've been progressive, right?
It can't be possibly be that Mudvayne has actually been progressive, even if progressive metal has been what they described themselves as and others as well; no, no, no, there's no way, it can't be! Noooooooo!

Oh well, I guess it's my fault for actually listening to them and using Google.


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Points: 7037 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:40
No need to ridicule the suggestion. I'm quite familiar with them and I don't think they're progressive at all to be honest.
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Points: 36682 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:47
I don't know it, but considering that this band has been suggestion twice before:
Topic: Mudvayne - Severed
Forum: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Topic: Mudvayne in the Arhives?
Forum: Suggest New Bands and Artists

and this poll was asking if it should be added:
Poll: Mudvayne
Forum: General Polls

and there have been other threads about the band at PA, I highly doubt that it is not without any PA merit. 



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdCAaJsZpjw Just listen to that. Compare it to other famous progressive (death, extreme) metal. 
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Points: 65505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:22
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

oh hay look its prawg




more like pro wrestling
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:40

If they were suggested many times, does it mean that there is something progressive in them, or that people want them ? And if people want them, should we include them and close both eyes if prog influences / elements aren't here ? 

Not that I know Mudvayne, just thinking in general, because of questions raised here.
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:46
I'm in the metal circles, and I can safely say bands like System of a Down, Decapitated and Pig Destroyer are ten times more progressive than Mudvayne. And they aren't on the Archives. All good music is progressive, but that doesn't mean one bit that it belongs here.
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457665/20020918/index.jhtml?headlines=true
"The Peoria, Illinois, progressive metal quartet has named their new album The End of All Things To Come..."

http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view/2008_12_09_There_s_no_masking_Mudvayne_s_prog-metal_passion/srvc=home&position=recent
"... prog-metal band Mudvayne..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_progressive_metal_artists
"Note, this list contains some bands that at least at some point during their career played progressive metal."
Guess who is on there.


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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:05
Prog related requires influencing the prog scene, has Mudvayne influenced actual prog?

Why do you feel that Wikipedia, the Boston Herald, and MTV are accurate judges of progressive rock at all, much less how we consider it? This is how accurate people in print journalism are about us: The Wall Street Journal in their best of 2009 rock list mentioned Insurgentes and said that Steve Wilson also fronted "The Porcupine Trees".


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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:13
I don't know if they influenced actual prog (I don't see how many of the prog-related artists did either), but they were influenced by prog rock and metal bands (Emperor, King Crimson and Porcupine Tree (oddly enough)). I feel MTV and Wikipedia are accurate enough judges. If they're not accurate judges, then who is?
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:40
I'm not sure, but I'm positive that a TV station that doesn't even play music anymore and never played any prog at all, barring some Pink Floyd, and a Wiki entry that any idiot could have added are not. Have you read the metal sections of Wikipedia? They're not really...intelligent.

Edited by Henry Plainview - April 05 2010 at 20:41
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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:49
If we're going to go by ear, then I guess the majority doesn't view Mudvayne's first two albums as prog.
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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2010 at 15:03
Mudvayne is indeed a very underrated band, although I haven't liked their last few albums as much as their first two. And yes, they were a prog band.
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by Choice Choice wrote:

If we're going to go by ear, then I guess the majority doesn't view Mudvayne's first two albums as prog.


What? Ear and music go together?
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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2010 at 17:32
Hearing is 100% reliable and every piece of music can be simply categorized by just listening. 
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