Mudvayne
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Mudvayne
Posted By: Choice
Subject: Mudvayne
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 16:32
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I feel they should be considered prog-related due to their first two albums. There is no doubt in my mind that L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come are progressive metal. It's kind of like how Journey started out progressive but eventually just did pop rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.D._50_(album) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_All_Things_to_Come http://www.webofmetal.com/products/16548-ld-50-mudvayne http://www.webofmetal.com/products/10946-the-end-of-all-things-to-come-mudvayne |
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:13
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hmm seems interesting need to bye some of them soon, nice art-work as well as I went throgh all their albums on wikipedia. how do they sound like |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:18
| Sure, what's next? Nickelback? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:25
| Hmmm... Limp Bizkit? Coal Chamber? Deftones? Papa Roach? |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:29
oh hay look its prawg |
Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:37
Yes, because they've been progressive, right? It can't be possibly be that Mudvayne has actually been progressive, even if progressive metal has been what they described themselves as and others as well; no, no, no, there's no way, it can't be! Noooooooo! Oh well, I guess it's my fault for actually listening to them and using Google. |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:40
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No need to ridicule the suggestion. I'm quite familiar with them and I don't think they're progressive at all to be honest.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 17:47
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I don't know it, but considering that this band has been suggestion twice before: Topic: forum_posts.asp?TID=15675&KW=Mudvayne - Mudvayne - Severed Forum: forum_topics.asp?FID=1 - Suggest New Bands and Artists Topic: forum_posts.asp?TID=44341&KW=Mudvayne - Mudvayne in the Arhives? Forum: forum_topics.asp?FID=1 - Suggest New Bands and Artists and this poll was asking if it should be added: Poll: forum_posts.asp?TID=38391&KW=Mudvayne - Mudvayne Forum: forum_topics.asp?FID=45 - General Polls and there have been other threads about the band at PA, I highly doubt that it is not without any PA merit. |
Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:18
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdCAaJsZpjw Just listen to that. Compare it to other famous progressive (death, extreme) metal. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:22
more like pro wrestling |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:40
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If they were suggested many times, does it mean that there is something progressive in them, or that people want them ? And if people want them, should we include them and close both eyes if prog influences / elements aren't here ? Not that I know Mudvayne, just thinking in general, because of questions raised here. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:46
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I'm in the metal circles, and I can safely say bands like System of a Down, Decapitated and Pig Destroyer are ten times more progressive than Mudvayne. And they aren't on the Archives. All good music is progressive, but that doesn't mean one bit that it belongs here.
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Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 19:47
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457665/20020918/index.jhtml?headlines=true "The Peoria, Illinois, progressive metal quartet has named their new album The End of All Things To Come..." http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view/2008_12_09_There_s_no_masking_Mudvayne_s_prog-metal_passion/srvc=home&position=recent "... prog-metal band Mudvayne..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_progressive_metal_artists "Note, this list contains some bands that at least at some point during their career played progressive metal." Guess who is on there. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:05
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Prog related requires influencing the prog scene, has Mudvayne influenced actual prog? Why do you feel that Wikipedia, the Boston Herald, and MTV are accurate judges of progressive rock at all, much less how we consider it? This is how accurate people in print journalism are about us: The Wall Street Journal in their best of 2009 rock list mentioned Insurgentes and said that Steve Wilson also fronted "The Porcupine Trees".
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Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:13
| I don't know if they influenced actual prog (I don't see how many of the prog-related artists did either), but they were influenced by prog rock and metal bands (Emperor, King Crimson and Porcupine Tree (oddly enough)). I feel MTV and Wikipedia are accurate enough judges. If they're not accurate judges, then who is? |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:40
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I'm not sure, but I'm positive that a TV station that doesn't even play music anymore and never played any prog at all, barring some Pink Floyd, and a Wiki entry that any idiot could have added are not. Have you read the metal sections of Wikipedia? They're not really...intelligent. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 20:49
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If we're going to go by ear, then I guess the majority doesn't view Mudvayne's first two albums as prog. |
Posted By: Horndog
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 15:03
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Mudvayne is indeed a very underrated band, although I haven't liked their last few albums as much as their first two. And yes, they were a prog band.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 15:06
What? Ear and music go together? |
Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 17:32
| Hearing is 100% reliable and every piece of music can be simply categorized by just listening. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 20:11
Please, MTV is reliable in Rap or Pop, not in Prog
And Wikipedia is a place that can be edited by anybody
None of both is reliable at all IMHO.
Don't know the band so won't say a word, but I believe that a band needs to be vastly recognized by the Prog community appart fr0om being influential AND influenced by our genre.
If other already included bands don't fulfill this requirements, it's not justification for adding other bands that shouldn't be here.
Iván
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 21:21
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I used to own their first two (as well as some of their newer I believe) and I don't remember them being particularly prog.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 21:43
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There is a lot of Math-Metal in their early works, but their newest stuff is pop all the way. I'm on the fence, personally.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 21:59
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I thought the earlier stuff was more funk-influenced metal than anything, especially L.D. 50.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 22:02
| Sounded like Math/Groove Metal to my ears. |
Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 01:51
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Posted By: Choice
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 01:53
Edit a page (not some obscure that no one goes on though) and show me that EVERYONE can edit it. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 08:05
Nice piece and great playing, but it doesn't sound progressive at all - just riffing over a simple song structure. IMO of course. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 10:11
Here in PropgArchives we done it several times and posted here, you just need to check, as a fact I corrected wrong information a lot of times
I don't trust Wikipedia, except when they quote references from reliable sites.
Iván
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Posted By: Horndog
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 11:45
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If you edit it to say Ronald McDonald is the 44th president of the United States, they tend to delete it, though.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 20:25
But if you say Bee Gees released a Progressive Rock album called Odessa...Probably will stay for some time.
Or if you say that X band plays Rock, Pop and Progressive Rock, probably nobody will touch it unles it's a very famous band, which is not the case of Mudvayne.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 20:32
At least not anymore...maybe 10 years ago it would have been noticed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 20:37
| In most cases I'd think Wikipedia is accurate, I've never came across anything that is outright wrong or any vandalism. However I don't think they are a good source as far as labeling band's genres go. |