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Titan 
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 Topic: Masterpieces or not ?
Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:25 |
We have a lot of "masterpieces": Dark Side Of The moon, Close To the edge, Foxtrot, Wish you were here etc.
iam curious which "masterpieces" you dont consider as masterpiece
for example me:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:40 |
Zdravim te 
For me it's Selling England By The Pound from Genesis. I like the most of the songs on it but I've never liked I Know What I Like and The Battle Of Epping Forest. I consider The Lamb... as their masterpiece though some people don't like the album.
However, in the case of Yes' Close To The Edge I go with the masses and I think it's their best work and definitely a masterpiece.
Tak zatim cus
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:42 |
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For me Dark Side of the Moon: A lot of filler and it's terribly, I mean TERRIBLY overrated.
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strawberry
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:45 |
Well, truely it is a matter of oppinion. I know that some people don't think the "I get up Get Down" Part of "Close to the Edge" is that great, but I feel it is that build that makes the song work.
My Personal oppinion of what makes a masterpiece is that it just keeps my interest all the way through. There is always a nuance to the album everytime you play it. 
My oppion on the most overrated would have to be "Wish you Hear" Not their best effort.
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taste is but a matter of oppinion.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:46 |
Wish You Were Here by Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond bores me to tears
A Lot of KC, especially Larks' Tongues in Aspic - Blechh
Otherwise most masterpieces are pretty damn good. 
and of course Mars Volta's Frances the Mute and DT's Images and Words 
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:57 |
Yes, all the album's you mention are masterpieces. I would say most of the albums in the top 50 are masterpieces or near-masterpieces. I haven't heard any DT or Anglegaard, but of the one's I've heard, which is most of them, they all are powerful music that has stood the test of time.
"Dark Side" is definately a masterpiece, and is not terribly overrated, whatever that means. That's like saying Niagra Falls is overrated. Well, okay if Niagra Falls doesn't turn you on, I'm sorry, but it's pretty darn impressive regardless of it's rating.
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Philrod
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:14 |
Just the fact that you mentioned those albums makes them masterpieces 
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Dazo
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:06 |
The Wall 
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:18 |
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Brain Salad Surgery
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:32 |
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Anekdoten - Where Solitude Remains so far...have yet to hear all their albums
Yes - Fragile (even the filler tracks go by quickly)
King Crimson - Red
Aphrodites Child - 666
Opeth - My Arms Your Hearse/Damnation
Rush - Moving Pictures/2112/Hemispheres
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You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket
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Walker
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:33 |
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down...
Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:34 |
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I think i've posted this list like 5 times or so now
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You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket
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Walker
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 01:36 |
 WillieThePimp wrote:
Aphrodites Child - 666
Opeth - My Arms Your Hearse/Damnation
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I wonder who in the world is claiming these as masterpieces of prog? 
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:40 |
Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here.
I love Shine On You Crazy Diamond, one of my favourite epics ever, but I find the rest of the album not very interesting. I think Dark Side Of The Moon is much better.
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:42 |
Titan wrote:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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That's my opinion too. I rate Relayer (and also Fragile and Going For The One) higher than CTTE.
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Matti
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:45 |
Walker wrote:
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down...
Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
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Agreed. Also The Wall. Music should be more important than the story. Caravan's In The Land of Grey and Pink is also a bit overrated, though I enjoy it a lot. (I leave unmentioned the bands I don't like in the first place.)
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:01 |
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Don't call me iconoclast, but I think that The Dark Side of the Moon is good but really overrated.
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MorgothSunshine
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:41 |
Genesis - The lamb lies down... 
Jethro Tull - Passion play
ELP - Brain salad surgery / Trilogy
Caravan - In the land of grey and pink
Area - Gli dei se ne vanno, gli arrabbiati restano (is rated as their best 4.67 stars!!! but it is the worst of an amazing band like Area!!!!)
...but i don't think Close to the edge or Dark side of the moon are overrated!
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nacho
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:45 |
I must be an easy man... I had a look at the Top 50 in the home page and I found I liked ALL of them (though I of course would change the order of many of them). Maybe Dream Theater's Train of Thought shouldn't be there but anyway... I had to punch on the "Top 100" button to find The Mars Volta in the 72th position... How can people be claiming that to be a masterpiece of prog is well beyond my understanding...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 04:24 |
Titan wrote:
We have a lot of "masterpieces": Dark Side Of The moon, Close To the edge, Foxtrot, Wish you were here etc.
iam curious which "masterpieces" you dont consider as masterpiece
for example me:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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All the ones you quote are over-rated masterpieces in my opinion!
Classic albums for sure, but not masterpieces.
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