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Yorkie X
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Topic: is Barack Obama doing a good job ? Posted: November 26 2009 at 03:17 |
Maybe this isn't a wise idea for a poll ? its aim is to stimulate some discussion, that's all ...
Edited by Yorkie X - November 26 2009 at 03:24
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JLocke
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 04:00 |
Meh . . . he's not doing BAD, if that's what you're asking.
I really don't think I'm going to vote, though. My political outlook is far less black-and-white apparently than yours. No President is either all good or all bad. In some ways, the man is doing very well, and in others I completely disagree with his decisions. So if all you're trying to do is stimulate discussion, why make such a simple-minded poll? Why not pick a specific policy of Obama's for us to vote on rather than his entire presidency as a whole? It causes me to suspect different motives than you claim to be behind this thread.
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npjnpj
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 04:20 |
'No President is either all good or all bad.' - I beg to differ, at least concerning Dubbya.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 04:28 |
I suppose so.
I'm more pissed off with nearly everyone in Congress. Their behavior this past lifetime of mine has been shameful. I can't believe they get paid to pass pointless laws and shame our nation.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 04:41 |
Well, we've gone past September and haven't had a major terrorist attack. The Bush administration sat on their butts and let us get attacked at the beginning of their term. The banks were bailed out (started in the last administration) but the economy still sucks for a lot of us regular folks. He has not put any political muscle towards meaningful health insurance reform. It almost seems like he's setting himself up for a one term presidency. On the other hand Clinton being much less liberal than he was perceived seemed to work in his favor for re-election.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 05:07 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Meh . . . he's not doing BAD, if that's what you're asking.
I really don't think I'm going to vote, though. My political outlook is far less black-and-white apparently than yours. No President is either all good or all bad. In some ways, the man is doing very well, and in others I completely disagree with his decisions. So if all you're trying to do is stimulate discussion, why make such a simple-minded poll? Why not pick a specific policy of Obama's for us to vote on rather than his entire presidency as a whole? It causes me to suspect different motives than you claim to be behind this thread.
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True but what I was hoping for is that if you feel positive you would vote Yes and if you were feeling more on the negative side you would vote No ..
Edited by Yorkie X - November 26 2009 at 07:27
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zappaholic
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 06:49 |
*puts on asbestos longjohns and hip waders*
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Padraic
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 07:10 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Well, we've gone past September and haven't had a major terrorist attack. The Bush administration sat on their butts and let us get attacked at the beginning of their term. |
Plus many consider Ft. Hood to be a terrorist attack. There were many failures within the Pentagon regarding that lunatic prior to his attack.
Edited by Padraic - November 26 2009 at 07:12
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 09:59 |
Padraic wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Well, we've gone past September and haven't had a major terrorist attack. The Bush administration sat on their butts and let us get attacked at the beginning of their term. |
Plus many consider Ft. Hood to be a terrorist attack. There were many failures within the Pentagon regarding that lunatic prior to his attack.
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That was the action of a sole lunatic as far as we know. The 911 attacks had much deeper roots and it could have been averted. What Hasan did could not have been forseen. I suppose we could disqualify from service everyone who isn't a white bread American, but white bread Americans have also engaged in terrorist attacks on our own country, IE Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, et al.
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Padraic
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:06 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:06 |
It was a premeditated attack based on ideology. That's terrorism Brian. You don't plan for weeks, choose special cop-killer bullets, give away your possessions, and yell "god is great" just because you suddenly snapped from job pressure. The signs were there and missed. People have been nervous about this guy for some time, but failed to take firm action, perhaps for PC reasons. This will come out in the investigation.
I don't care about assigning blame. But it sure as hell *was* terrorism by any logical definition of the word.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:13 |
To answer the question in the poll: Hell no.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:37 |
npjnpj wrote:
'No President is either all good or all bad.' - I beg to differ, at least concerning Dubbya. |
That's kind of an ignorant statement with all due respect. But I'll forgive it since your profile says you don't even live here, so you've clearly only been hearing the anti-America propaganda overseas. Bush was pretty idiotic, but no way in hell he was as corrupt as Nixon or as big a prick as Jackson. And yet, neither of those men were 'all bad', either.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:38 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
To answer the question in the poll: Hell no.
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Care to elaborate? How exactly is he so bad that he warrants such a negative response? Just curious.
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:40 |
Alex lives in Kentucky where they have militias and things.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 10:57 |
^ That explains it!
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 11:27 |
I see the poll is not going in Obamas favour..?
You wanted change, you got it....so far....Obama is one of the best Presidents to gain office, from a British point of view his reforms on a new fairer Health Service, peace talks (though difficult and frustrating) and urgent changes regarding tackling climate change are spot on - you don't want another Bush, surely..?
Obama can come here and be Prime Minister anytime if you don't want him
Edited by mystic fred - November 26 2009 at 11:32
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Logan
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 11:51 |
I'd take him as Prime Minister of Canada.
I think he's rather being damned by mnay with faint praise at the moment, though. He's a moderate and seems in some ways to be playing things, some might say, a bit too safe. Those who want to see the status quo preserved often dislike him, while those of a more revolutionary disposition don't see enough change. I've had some problems with certain policies, and was hoping for someone rather more radical.
I supect we'll see a greater push from him for real change later on in his presidency -- of course his powers are very limited in terms of implementation.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 11:57 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 11:57 |
mystic fred wrote:
I see the poll is not going in Obamas favour..?
You wanted change, you got it....so far....Obama is one of the best Presidents to gain office, from a British point of view his reforms on a new fairer Health Service, peace talks (though difficult and frustrating) and urgent changes regarding tackling climate change are spot on - you don't want another Bush, surely..?
Obama can come here and be Prime Minister anytime if you don't want him
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Take him, please!
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