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Poll Question: Which Song Was Most Influential in the Burgeoning Metal/PM Genre?
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    Posted: October 25 2009 at 17:51
I consider all four of these to be early metal, even though none of the bands involved were metal bands.  Which one do you think had the most influence on metal overall and in particular prog-metal?  Not which one do you like the best.   I'm hard-pressed to choose between The Beatles and KC.  While The Knife is my favorite of these, I don't think you can deny the influence of Helter Skelter and Schizoid Man on the new metal genre. 
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I would say Helter Skelter didn't have a direct influence on progressive metal. It had a more direct influence on hard rock and heavy metal. I would say 21st Century Schizoid Man had an influence on the two genres mentioned above, as well as prog metal.

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I think Helter Skelter must have had the most influence on Metal simply because everybody knows The Beatles and not everybody knows KC, PF's More and Genesis's Trespass (not sure how popular trespass really was actually). The question which was the most influential on prog metal is much more difficult... I think Helter Skelter would also be it here, but I am not sure about it at all, as many prog metal bands also are influenced by PF, Genesis and KC. No vote for now, maybe I'll vote when I have thought about it for a while. 
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What about the who's "generation" ? cream's "sunshine of your love" ? Hendrix' 'Purple haze' ? Iron Butterfly's "evil temptation" ? the kinks' "louie louie" ? the troggs' "wild thing" ?

All these songs pre-date the ones you listed and probably influenced hard-rock bands to come as well as the bands you listed for their "hard rock" songs.
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 ^ agreed, though as proto-Progmetal goes, I'd have to give it to anything off the first Sabbath album
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I wouldn't really include the Knife along with the other ones, though it is great. It's just not as heavy or chaotic as the others, but it does have the right energy.
 
In any event, 21st Schizoid Man is my vote.

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King Crimson's easily. I would have also included Rush; they had quite an influence on prog metal.
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On this list, Helter Skelter is at the very foundation - even 21st Century Schizoid Man follows it.  I would also add, besides the ones Lucas mentions, Born To Be Wild, and just about anything by Led Zeppelin.
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none of them are very influencial pieces for prog metal, maybe a little KC
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There lie many years between the songs mentioned and the progressive metal as we know it, from let's say 1990 and later. I don't think that The Knife has anything to do with metal; 21st Century Schizoid Man just a bit. My vote goes to Helter Skelter, which may be regarded as an early example of hard rock.
 
Maybe Summertime Blues (Blue Cheer), Born to Be Wild (Steppenwolf) and In a Gadda-da-vida (Iron Butterfly) should be added to this list.
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For sure, 21-st Century Schizoid Man is absolutely classic and should be placed between roots of all Progresive Rock. Pink Floyd as important as well, but not that song,I thing. The Beatles -  ok, possibly they have some connections (very far) with object of discussion, but I don't think they were important at all.
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None of these was particularly influential for Prog Metal - at least *not* for the metal aspect.
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King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man.
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Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

I wouldn't really include the Knife along with the other ones, though it is great. It's just not as heavy or chaotic as the others, but it does have the right energy.
 
In any event, 21st Schizoid Man is my vote.


Agreed. The Knife seems a strange choice (although I love the song) but compared to the others, it's plastic cutlery ?Big smile


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No votes for The Knife? Fine, I'll be first. I'm glad someone recognized Genesis' epicness to be on pair with heavy metal zeitgeist a decade later. (Seriously, listening, for example, Nursery Cryme is no too far-fetched from the best Iron Maiden's moments).
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Easiest poll... KC of course.
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Covered by Voivod and also thrash veterans Forbidden and also also other bands that I don't remember or know, "21st Century Schizoid Man".
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King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
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Helter Skelter, without question. I'm shocked it's getting so fewer votes than 21st.
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I think Genesis invented heavy/power metal in the heavy sections of the Musical Box and Dancing with the Moonlit Night. it is he same horse riding riff which can be heard in over 90 percent of power metal and in all Iron Madien songs.
 
also the heavy parts in In Held Twas an I  ther are some dicsonant guiatar parts
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