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    Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:36
To begin with this, I must say I consider I don't know quiet enough music to make assesments about who has influenced who and so on, and a may be quiet wrong with this. It's just that I was listening to the song Suicide and Redemption from Metallica's last album, and there was a part were I almost thought that I was hearing John Myung from Dream theater on bass... as far as I know, Metallica's bass player on this album was a new member, so it might even be that he'd heard Dream Theater... Just a thought, and I would like to know what other more experienced listeners in metal might think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 05:33
What exactly does the influence consist of? If you're thinking of complex playing with a lot of groove, well, Trujillo was doing this since a long time ago. In the early 90s he was playing and producing for Infectious Grooves, which was a very influential metal/hard rock band whose name is the best description. Their 93 album Sarsippius' Ark is excellent. I would suppose he developed his style by himself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:06
I read an interview about his bass playing and he mentioned being influenced by everything from mariachi to soul to funk to Zeppelin, and mentioned Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures as some of his favourite sounding albums. So I guess Geddy Lee has had his influence on him as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:10

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:11
and throw Larry Graham in there.... those two were his most prominent influences.

Myung?  hahha...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:52
In all fairness, the OP stated clearly that he doesn't know enough about music, and that he's basing himself on an impression - which is perfectly OK with me, seen as I often do the same. However, I think it should be known that Robert Trujillo has been around as long as John Myung (whose bass I wish I could hear on DT records). His debut album with Suicidal Tendencies, Lights...Camera... Revolution, dates back from 1990, and he comes from a completely different background than the DT bassist - being mainly influenced by funk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2009 at 20:18

Trujillo is a very talented bassist. I'm sure he's glad to be in metallica but it is very different to what he usually plays. His earlier works, as mentioned by others, is very unique and quit good. It sucks that he is now in a band that for the past fifteen past years has decided to limit what the bass player can do. Although I was very pleased with Death Magnetic over all, I wish Trujillo was allowed to showcase his skills more.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2009 at 23:19
Dream Theater has a bass player?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2009 at 15:45
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Dream Theater has a bass player?


You sound like someone looking for trouble. Big smile
On the other hand, I must confess I've never been impressed by the bass in DT, while the bass part on Infectious Grooves' 'Therapy' (the version with Osbourne) was... great.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:05
I never look for trouble Wink.  It just finds me.

I was actually referring to the way a lot of DT is mixed.  The sound is kind of a thick, turgid sludge that leaves little room for well defined bass sounds. You often can't really tell what , if anything john is playing.  I have no doubt that he's a really fine musician, but I think it would be frustrating to be the bass player in that band. 

Bass needs space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:06
hahahhahhaa....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2009 at 21:55
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

I never look for trouble Wink.  It just finds me.

I was actually referring to the way a lot of DT is mixed.  The sound is kind of a thick, turgid sludge that leaves little room for well defined bass sounds. You often can't really tell what , if anything john is playing.  I have no doubt that he's a really fine musician, but I think it would be frustrating to be the bass player in that band. 

Bass needs space.

I have trouble hearing Myung on a lot of DT albums, especially Train of Thought. Maybe its because he often mirrors what Petrucci is doing on guitar. But when he does get a solo, man, that guy can play bass!

Trujillo is also very good, but as said, he does come from a different background musically to Myung. Metallica have been guilty of limiting the bassist's role ever since Cliff died, really. Remember the whole mixing Newsted out of And Justice For All debacle? 

We've only one album to go on, really, about Rob Trujillo's prowess as Metallica's bassist. Although he is credited on St Anger, he did not actually play on that album. Didn't Bob Rock play the bass on that one?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:24
Nobody have played anything in St. Anger... the worst album on PA.
But Robert Trujillo is a skilled bass player.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:27
John Myung is the unique member of DT that don't have a solo album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:37
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

John Myung is the unique member of DT that don't have a solo album?


*insert smart ass comment about listening to 40 minutes of his bass mixed under the sound of the producer snoring*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:50
I know the punchline is as old and worn out as the latest DT album release.... but still fun.. and worth it just to get a laughie.  Thanks Pekka LOLWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:57
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

I never look for trouble Wink.  It just finds me.

I was actually referring to the way a lot of DT is mixed.  The sound is kind of a thick, turgid sludge that leaves little room for well defined bass sounds. You often can't really tell what , if anything john is playing.  I have no doubt that he's a really fine musician, but I think it would be frustrating to be the bass player in that band. 

Bass needs space.
 
Myung is a great bassist, as a fact one of the best ever playing with a six string bass.
 
But Trademark has a point, unless you have four legs and ears able to listen bellow 10 DB, you can't listen him, I once read that Portnoy confessed he followed Petrucci on stage because he wasn't able to listen Myung most of the time (Not normal in any rhythm section).
 
That's not Myung's mistake, that's responsability of the sound mixing department and the guy who runs the console in concerts.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 21:20
It was only a question... 
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