Metallica's bass player influenced by John Myung?
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Topic: Metallica's bass player influenced by John Myung?
Posted By: Dellinger
Subject: Metallica's bass player influenced by John Myung?
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:36
| To begin with this, I must say I consider I don't know quiet enough music to make assesments about who has influenced who and so on, and a may be quiet wrong with this. It's just that I was listening to the song Suicide and Redemption from Metallica's last album, and there was a part were I almost thought that I was hearing John Myung from Dream theater on bass... as far as I know, Metallica's bass player on this album was a new member, so it might even be that he'd heard Dream Theater... Just a thought, and I would like to know what other more experienced listeners in metal might think. |
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 05:33
| What exactly does the influence consist of? If you're thinking of complex playing with a lot of groove, well, Trujillo was doing this since a long time ago. In the early 90s he was playing and producing for Infectious Grooves, which was a very influential metal/hard rock band whose name is the best description. Their 93 album Sarsippius' Ark is excellent. I would suppose he developed his style by himself. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:06
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I read an interview about his bass playing and he mentioned being influenced by everything from mariachi to soul to funk to Zeppelin, and mentioned Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures as some of his favourite sounding albums. So I guess Geddy Lee has had his influence on him as well. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:10
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 08:15
^Of course  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:11
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and throw Larry Graham in there.... those two were his most prominent influences. Myung? hahha... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TheSubhuman
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:52
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In all fairness, the OP stated clearly that he doesn't know enough about music, and that he's basing himself on an impression - which is perfectly OK with me, seen as I often do the same. However, I think it should be known that Robert Trujillo has been around as long as John Myung (whose bass I wish I could hear on DT records). His debut album with Suicidal Tendencies, Lights...Camera... Revolution, dates back from 1990, and he comes from a completely different background than the DT bassist - being mainly influenced by funk. |
Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 20:18
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Trujillo is a very talented bassist. I'm sure he's glad to be in metallica but it is very different to what he usually plays. His earlier works, as mentioned by others, is very unique and quit good. It sucks that he is now in a band that for the past fifteen past years has decided to limit what the bass player can do. Although I was very pleased with Death Magnetic over all, I wish Trujillo was allowed to showcase his skills more. ------------- " Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 23:19
| Dream Theater has a bass player? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 15:45
You sound like someone looking for trouble.  On the other hand, I must confess I've never been impressed by the bass in DT, while the bass part on Infectious Grooves' 'Therapy' (the version with Osbourne) was... great. |
Trademark wrote:Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:05
I never look for trouble  . It just finds me.I was actually referring to the way a lot of DT is mixed. The sound is kind of a thick, turgid sludge that leaves little room for well defined bass sounds. You often can't really tell what , if anything john is playing. I have no doubt that he's a really fine musician, but I think it would be frustrating to be the bass player in that band. Bass needs space.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:06
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hahahhahhaa.... to quote Raff.... 'there must be something in the water'... *munch munch munch* I do love this site and it's cast of characters... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 31 2009 at 21:55
I have trouble hearing Myung on a lot of DT albums, especially Train of Thought. Maybe its because he often mirrors what Petrucci is doing on guitar. But when he does get a solo, man, that guy can play bass! Trujillo is also very good, but as said, he does come from a different background musically to Myung. Metallica have been guilty of limiting the bassist's role ever since Cliff died, really. Remember the whole mixing Newsted out of And Justice For All debacle? We've only one album to go on, really, about Rob Trujillo's prowess as Metallica's bassist. Although he is credited on St Anger, he did not actually play on that album. Didn't Bob Rock play the bass on that one? ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:24
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Nobody have played anything in St. Anger... the worst album on PA. But Robert Trujillo is a skilled bass player. ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:27
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John Myung is the unique member of DT that don't have a solo album?
------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:37
*insert smart ass comment about listening to 40 minutes of his bass mixed under the sound of the producer snoring* ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:46
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:50
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I know the punchline is as old and worn out as the latest DT album release.... but still fun.. and worth it just to get a laughie. Thanks Pekka
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:57
Myung is a great bassist, as a fact one of the best ever playing with a six string bass.
But Trademark has a point, unless you have four legs and ears able to listen bellow 10 DB, you can't listen him, I once read that Portnoy confessed he followed Petrucci on stage because he wasn't able to listen Myung most of the time (Not normal in any rhythm section).
That's not Myung's mistake, that's responsability of the sound mixing department and the guy who runs the console in concerts.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 21:20
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It was only a question...
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 21:52
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 22:08
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I've seen DT live. Had no problems hearing the bass, ever. Also have some of their albums, and again, no issues with hearing the bass guitar at all. There is plenty of bass there in the mix. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 22:24
| the topic is only kind of funny 'cause I'm pretty sure I had heard of trujillo before I ever heard of myung. and we're going back 20 years here. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 16:19
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Well.. Death Magnetic sounds a lot like a "regular" or "normal" Train of Thought with a different singer... I think that both have their different influences but Trujillo is a good musician, still I don't feel that he is a metal-soul, so I don't feel like he fit in the band, as a stage man... I know he is great but you can be moving your shoulders around at the side of some hard*ss as heitfield, but well is their choice...
In the other hand... I don't know why is so much about Myung so low in the mix... I always can hear him and is good to have him low because when the bass is too up in the mix the complete piece feels like drawned, like every instrument is flooded... so, I can live with the mixes they uses... ------------- |
Posted By: whydontyoueatcarrots
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 19:04
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They are both very skilled bassists, but I hear no similarity in their playing. I prefer Trujillo, because he was an influence during my funk metal days. I use to listen to those infectious grooves album and think, "How the hell does he do that?" ------------- Mom, I tore a big hole in the convertible |
Posted By: Juiceboxbiotch
Date Posted: January 12 2010 at 17:28
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Has Myung actually ever influenced anybody???
Every time I listen to a Dream Theater CD I hear lots of DRUMS and GUITAR and KEYS and VOCALS and bass.
Just like ...And Justice for All
Speaking of... Ever heard ...And Justice for Jason?
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Posted By: whydontyoueatcarrots
Date Posted: January 14 2010 at 13:12
Yup, it's amazing how much better those songs sound with bass added. It's a shame Myung is mixed so low, it takes a lot of talent to play their songs just to be almost inaudible. ------------- Mom, I tore a big hole in the convertible |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 12:13
he doesn't have solo albums but he played bass in two projects - Platypus and The Jelly Jam, both with Ty Tabor of King's X. Platypus had Derek Sherinian and Rod Morgenstein. Derek gave up on Platypus, so the remaining 3 created The Jelly Jam and did teo albums. I thought they were really good albums.
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