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Progger
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Topic: Who should have replaced Wakeman? Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:19 |
Basically I'm asking if you think Moraz was the right man to replace Wakeman & if not who should have got the job? Obviously it's an hyperthetical question as some guys on the list wouldn't have left the successful bands they were already in.
Personally, I think Moraz did a great job but the keyboards aren't as profound as on previous Yes albums. Also, I don't think the chemistry was right with him in the band as he didn't stay around for long. What do you guys think?
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:26 |
Moraz was great, he was also involved in the initial writing and pre-recording of Going For The One, but was quickly replaced with Wakeman, when he was available again. I think Yes would've been better off, if Moraz had stayed on at least that album, and maybe even beyond.
I'm not a big fan of Wakeman anyway, though he was a definite improvement considering Kaye's reluctancy to play anything else than his organ.
From this list Moraz is anyway the best choice, Emerson is not an option I think, maybe Thijs van Leer could have been, but the rest wouldn't fit I think anyway.
Vangelis was way too much atmospheric/ambient/new wave or however you'd call it to be a real improvement/supplement for Wakeman.
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:28 |
Well, Moraz did a great job, but he's to loud, Jobson would have been great, but I voted for Vangelis..more melodic approach with him, I think. The others were occupied at the time, but if I had a wish I would say Jon Lord out of those last ones, but he wouldn't have made it, I'm afraid. Nor Bardens or Van Leer, nor Banton either, I'm afraid. The first five would have made it, not the rest (musically, that is) Emerson...welll....he's too much alike Wakeman, no thrill...
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:13 |
lostrom wrote:
Well, Moraz did a great job, but he's to loud, Jobson would have been great, but I voted for Vangelis..more melodic approach with him, I think. |
Well, it's been well documented that Vangelis was offered the job before Moraz but he declined. Obviously the band thought he would have been a good choice!
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:34 |
I voted for Moraz obviously for his work on Relayer. I understand Rod Argent (The Zombies & Argent) was offered the job but refused in order to front Argent. It would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out.
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:38 |
gleam wrote:
I voted for Moraz obviously for his work on Relayer. I understand Rod Argent (The Zombies & Argent) was offered the job but refused in order to front Argent. It would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out.
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Yeah, Argent's named escaped me when I was preparing the list. Also Kerry Minnear could have been included!
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:56 |
THIJS VAN LEER would have been great with YES, bringing in his classical influences, much less flashy, but adequate talent, and imagine YES with FLUTE!!!!
Moraz did fine though. Relayer is 4th best Yes Album.
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 21:52 |
Patrick blew Ricks socks off on Relayer! Rick had to
come running back for Going for the One, which
Patrick wrote most of and Rick stood in for. Patrick
is a much more rounded keyboardist than Rick ever
dreamed of being !
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sorry yungstas!
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 22:22 |
Dallas Bryan wrote:
Patrick blew Ricks socks off on Relayer! Rick had to come running back for Going for the One, which Patrick wrote most of and Rick stood in for. Patrick is a much more rounded keyboardist than Rick ever dreamed of being ! |
Agree with most of this statement.
Patrick Moraz has IMO a better style and more coherent formation than Rick, in Relayer he was great, better than almost anything Rick did with Yes except Close to the Edge, but when I saw Moraz playing that solo in the middle of Yes at QPR discovered he was even better than I thought, he sounded much better than Rick ever did, no capes, dramatic effects, ambulance sirens or strange sounds, just old plain piano played with the greatest skill I could imagine.
The problem with him was that he entered to a band that was formed by a group of friends, plus the fact he is anti charismatic when Rick is almost a second frontman, neither his character was easy because he was used to be a soloist and the main attraction, he wanted a separate dress room when all Yes members used only one for all the band,
But most important he wanted a compositional freedom that Yes wasn't willing to give him.
Iván
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 22:39 |
I heard somewhere along the line Vangelis was asked to join but refused
- wanted to do solo work or something. But they picked up Moraz
and turned out their second favorite album according to one of the
recent polls posted here. So how could Moraz have been anything
but a great choice?
PS: I saw the Moody Blues in the late '70's and guess who they
had at the keys?? You can't miss that mop of hair!
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 23:22 |
Rick van der Linden is the only other guy who could have fit into the Yes scheme without being a glory hog like Emo, Pat or Jobson. RvdL had the chops; he could've covered everything and made his own contributions, no problem. Clavinet, Moog/synths, piano, organ...he did 'em all. Banks and Bardens would not have been good fits. '77 is about the time Trace was done with and he went back to Eskeption. I'm sure van der Linden would've joined Yes, instead, had he been extended an offer.
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 00:05 |
Another player just came to mind who would have done a great job is Dave Greenslade!
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 00:13 |
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 01:06 |
PS: I saw the Moody Blues in the late '70's and guess who they had at the keys?? You can't miss that mop of hair! |
In 1981 I was in L.A. and went to my aunt's house, my cousin hated anything not related with Disco Music but his girlfriend was more interested in good music, so when she knew I was a proghead she took me to the stores to buy some albums and invited me to see the Moody Blues a band that I barely knew, my surprise was huge when I saw Patrick Moraz.
Even though I was absolutely drunk, have a relative good memory of that show because it was the first big concet I ever went, was really impressed by his work with the keyboards, specially in The Voice.
Iván
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 02:58 |
I would say Jobson as well.Moraz didn't do badly though.
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 03:10 |
Moraz did a great job on Relayer! He was the right man for the job. Yes must have had a great headhunter in those days, though Vangelis was obviously a mismatch for the band. Moraz is the man!
But I'm glad Wakeman returned on Going For The One .
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:30 |
Keith Emerson would have been interesting!
Too much solos would be the problem! Leaving John Anderson really cheesed off!
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:38 |
Progger wrote:
lostrom wrote:
Well, Moraz did a great job, but he's to loud, Jobson would have been great, but I voted for Vangelis..more melodic approach with him, I think. |
Well, it's been well documented that Vangelis was offered the job before Moraz but he declined. Obviously the band thought he would have been a good choice!
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Yeah, I know...do u know the reason why he didn't exept?...stagefright?
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:55 |
I'll have to vote for Moraz, if it wasnt for him would Relayer be as good? Its got his stamp on it for sure. Peter Bardens might be interesting, but to my mind no ones got that Complex sound of Patrick!
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:03 |
Interesting audition...
Topographic Oceans booms out from the speakers in the dining hall....
......Keyboard players at my count 3.....2......1
CONSUME!!!
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