Who should have replaced Wakeman?
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Topic: Who should have replaced Wakeman?
Posted By: Progger
Subject: Who should have replaced Wakeman?
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:19
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Basically I'm asking if you think Moraz was the right man to replace Wakeman & if not who should have got the job? Obviously it's an hyperthetical question as some guys on the list wouldn't have left the successful bands they were already in. Personally, I think Moraz did a great job but the keyboards aren't as profound as on previous Yes albums. Also, I don't think the chemistry was right with him in the band as he didn't stay around for long. What do you guys think?
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:26
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Moraz was great, he was also involved in the initial writing and pre-recording of Going For The One, but was quickly replaced with Wakeman, when he was available again. I think Yes would've been better off, if Moraz had stayed on at least that album, and maybe even beyond. I'm not a big fan of Wakeman anyway, though he was a definite improvement considering Kaye's reluctancy to play anything else than his organ. From this list Moraz is anyway the best choice, Emerson is not an option I think, maybe Thijs van Leer could have been, but the rest wouldn't fit I think anyway. Vangelis was way too much atmospheric/ambient/new wave or however you'd call it to be a real improvement/supplement for Wakeman. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 19:28
Well, Moraz did a great job, but he's to loud, Jobson would have been great, but I voted for Vangelis..more melodic approach with him, I think. The others were occupied at the time, but if I had a wish I would say Jon Lord out of those last ones, but he wouldn't have made it, I'm afraid. Nor Bardens or Van Leer, nor Banton either, I'm afraid. The first five would have made it, not the rest (musically, that is) Emerson...welll....he's too much alike Wakeman, no thrill...
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:13
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Well, it's been well documented that Vangelis was offered the job before Moraz but he declined. Obviously the band thought he would have been a good choice! |
lostrom wrote:Posted By: gleam
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:34
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I voted for Moraz obviously for his work on Relayer. I understand Rod Argent (The Zombies & Argent) was offered the job but refused in order to front Argent. It would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out.
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:38
Yeah, Argent's named escaped me when I was preparing the list. Also Kerry Minnear could have been included! |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:56
THIJS VAN LEER would have been great with YES, bringing in his classical influences, much less flashy, but adequate talent, and imagine YES with FLUTE!!!!  Moraz did fine though. Relayer is 4th best Yes Album. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 21:52
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Patrick blew Ricks socks off on Relayer! Rick had to
come running back for Going for the One, which Patrick wrote most of and Rick stood in for. Patrick is a much more rounded keyboardist than Rick ever dreamed of being ! 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 22:22
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Dallas Bryan wrote:
Agree with most of this statement. Patrick Moraz has IMO a better style and more coherent formation than Rick, in Relayer he was great, better than almost anything Rick did with Yes except Close to the Edge, but when I saw Moraz playing that solo in the middle of Yes at QPR discovered he was even better than I thought, he sounded much better than Rick ever did, no capes, dramatic effects, ambulance sirens or strange sounds, just old plain piano played with the greatest skill I could imagine. The problem with him was that he entered to a band that was formed by a group of friends, plus the fact he is anti charismatic when Rick is almost a second frontman, neither his character was easy because he was used to be a soloist and the main attraction, he wanted a separate dress room when all Yes members used only one for all the band, But most important he wanted a compositional freedom that Yes wasn't willing to give him. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Litl
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 22:39
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I heard somewhere along the line Vangelis was asked to join but refused
- wanted to do solo work or something. But they picked up Moraz
and turned out their second favorite album according to one of the
recent polls posted here. So how could Moraz have been anything
but a great choice? PS: I saw the Moody Blues in the late '70's and guess who they had at the keys?? You can't miss that mop of hair! 
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Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 23:22
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Rick van der Linden is the only other guy who could have fit into the Yes scheme without being a glory hog like Emo, Pat or Jobson. RvdL had the chops; he could've covered everything and made his own contributions, no problem. Clavinet, Moog/synths, piano, organ...he did 'em all. Banks and Bardens would not have been good fits. '77 is about the time Trace was done with and he went back to Eskeption. I'm sure van der Linden would've joined Yes, instead, had he been extended an offer. |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 00:05
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Another player just came to mind who would have done a great job is Dave Greenslade! |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 00:13
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 01:06
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In 1981 I was in L.A. and went to my aunt's house, my cousin hated anything not related with Disco Music but his girlfriend was more interested in good music, so when she knew I was a proghead she took me to the stores to buy some albums and invited me to see the Moody Blues a band that I barely knew, my surprise was huge when I saw Patrick Moraz. Even though I was absolutely drunk, have a relative good memory of that show because it was the first big concet I ever went, was really impressed by his work with the keyboards, specially in The Voice. Iván -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 02:58
| I would say Jobson as well.Moraz didn't do badly though. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 03:10
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Moraz did a great job on Relayer! He was the right man for the job. Yes must have had a great headhunter in those days, though Vangelis was obviously a mismatch for the band. Moraz is the man! But I'm glad Wakeman returned on Going For The One |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:30
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Keith Emerson would have been interesting! Too much solos would be the problem! Leaving John Anderson really cheesed off! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:38
Yeah, I know...do u know the reason why he didn't exept?...stagefright? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 05:55
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I'll have to vote for Moraz, if it wasnt for him would Relayer be as good? Its got his stamp on it for sure. Peter Bardens might be interesting, but to my mind no ones got that Complex sound of Patrick! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:03
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Interesting audition... Topographic Oceans booms out from the speakers in the dining hall.... ......Keyboard players at my count 3.....2......1 CONSUME!!!
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+Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:07
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Yeah but who wins? The eater or non eater? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:09
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Sorry,I thought you said Nun Eater -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:54
Yes, that has been documented well in Dan Hedges' biography of Yes. Vangelis couldn't play in a band setting, at that moment of time. I don't have Hedges book, but I'll tell it the way I remember it: Vangelis auditioned with Yes, and played a bit on the drums like Animal from the Muppet Show, and shouted something like: " Ah, very good drums, hah?!" |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 07:34
| Moraz brought an exciting new dynamic to the band, and Relayer demonstrates this perfectly. Relayer is far more "ambitious" than bloody Topographic ever was. In fact, it was probably Yes' finest album. I wish that Yes could have recorded another couple of albums with Moraz. Just imagine what they could have come up with instead of the damp squib that is Going For The One. Were it not for Awaken then NO ONE would give that album anywhere near the praise it recieves. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 07:35
Who would eat a nun ???? 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 07:47
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I had one for breakfast! You should give 'em a try Velv. I recommend using a little chutney to really set off that religious flavour. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 07:49
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I disagree. Turn Of The Century is very good too. The rest of the album may not be so progressive, but I like Wonderous Stories a lot, and the other two songs are enjoyable too. The album has a great production and a lot of attention for little details. Going For The One is my favorite album of any artist anytime, and as much as I love Relayer, I prefer Going For The One. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 07:51
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OK I´ll try a nun, Guess I´ll be nun the wiser .
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 08:02
Well, that's fair enough I suppose. If you love it I can't stop you, but for me other than Awaken it's a pretty shabby affair. I'll explain: Going For The One - A very bad start. That horrible USA Rock 'n Roll vibe really grates for me. This is NOT the same band who produced the work of art that is Gates of Delerium. Turn of the Century - A lovely tune hampered by the fact that it's somehow drawn out over an astounding NINE MINUTES! There's just not enough in the tune to sustain it for that kind of length, if you ask me. Again, it's very commercial sounding and nowhere near as challenging or exciting as Relayer. I've never been one for "ballads". And You And I part 2 this is not. That's what it ought to be though. Parallels - A missed opportunity. Though I'd agree that the production is generally quite good on the album, the levels on this song seem completely wrong. I can't say how it SHOULD be but it feels unbalanced to me. The performances seem pretty lacklustre too. The band were coasting when they cut this groove. Wonderous Stories - As if nine minutes of Jon Anderson being sickly sweet weren't enough, here he is to treat us to another four! I don't want tender pop songs I WANT BIG, FAT PROG SONGS! Awaken - And at last I get one! This is the album's saving grace and is one of my all time favourite Yes songs. However, this to my mind does not redeem the album. It still remains a confused, shabby mess of an LP and it's no surprise that Tormato was simply much of the same, minus any kind of enticing epic and even cheesier synths courtesy of the thankfull shortlived "Birotron". Sorry to badmouth your favourite album but I can't see what there is to like about this after the allmighty Relayer other than Awaken. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 09:00
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It's just a matter of taste, but I'll explain what I see in Going For The One: Going For The One: it's more than a rocksong. The rock 'n' roll start is just fun, a bit tongue in cheek I guess: you think you're listening to '50's rock' n 'roll, but then the Presley rhythm is soon being "tackled" and replaced by a very energetic kaleidoscope of keyboards and guitars all chasing each other. Yes never sounded so lively before. It's optimistic, bright, and it stands in sharp contrast with the much darker Relayer (I love that album, though) Turn Of The Century: this is not a ballad in my opinion. It's more like a piece of classical music with singing parts. It's totally progressive: no band has ever done this before. I guess it's the least accessible peace on the album.The guitar sound is lovely, but to be honest: it took a while before I liked the track myself. It's not so sharp focused, so it can be too long I guess if this is not your kind of music, but for me it's more like a dream sequence. It's romantic, fragile (sorry), and has a great climax at the end. As if the dreamers suddenly wake up. Parallels: my least favorite piece, I admit, but it's not bad. Has some great vocal interplay. Did the guys from Van Halen listen to this when they made "Jump"? Compare the intro and maybe you'll see (hear) what I mean. Wonderous Stories: this is a ballad allright, but it's still an original ballad, when Anderson starts singing la-a-la-ha-ha-ha, or something Awaken: I don't need to explain that. And the production on the album is fabulous. Well, that's how I listen to the album, anyway. The last of the great '70's Yes-albums, though even Tormato has it's moments. Okay, "ill stop now before people are throwing tomatoes at me |
Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:28
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Some clarification from some of the things that have been written here.... 1. Rick Left after the Tales tour, because he didn't like Tales or the musical direction ogf the band...(the fact that he allso had a strong solo carreer at the time didn't hurt either...) 2. Jon wanted Vangelis, but the rest of the band didn't.... 3. I believe Keith Emerson was talked about, but not sure if he was ever contacted... 4. Moraz' audition was during the recording of Relayer he was asked to play along og "Gates" (I think) and he impressed the band immediately, and was hired very quickly...Brian Lane (Yes' then manager) had invited Moraz. 5. Moraz was fired (According to the liner notes on the recent remaster of Going for the One) because, in effect, he felt he was a new star in the band and his ideas should be incorporated without question. 6. Wakeman came back after hearing some rough demos of some of the tunes to be recorded for GFTO, and liked the direction the band was now going in. He was initially hired as a session player, then invited back full time when things began going well. (The story is that Chris asked him to come back, and Rick accepted while recording in Switzerland...2 days later at a party Rick saw a copy of Melody Maker with a Giant front page headline saying "WAKEMAN REJOINS YES"...but then realized that the paper was from 3 days earlier. When he asked Chris how that could be, he replied "Educated Guess...") ------------- Facebook hashtags: #100greatestprogrockchallenge #scottssongbysong #scottsspotlight |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:38
Correct, but he did audition. And how |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:39
| Moraz was right for the job. Relayer wouldn't have been such a jazzy album if not for Moraz (a jazz keyboardist). If Relayer had lost that jazz influence, it wouldn't have been Relayer. |
Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:42
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Ha that is a classic story you mentioned in Point 6 Yarstruly wicked stuff. For me Moraz had to replace Wakeman and he proved it on Relayer which is currently one of fave Yes Albums. The battle between him and how on Gates of Delerium is very engrossing. He had a much more jazier style compared to Wakeman and I think that gave yes a bit more of a straighter rock edge to their sound. Still you can't beat the legend that is Wakeman who was on the cusp of joining Bowie before agreeing to join Yes. Heaven forbid Yes without Wakeman?! ------------- "The Beautiful Ally Of Your Own Gravediggers" www.gloryscene.co.uk |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:59
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Moraz was the best thing after Wakeman left! Other listed here wouldn't fit well but I might be wrong. Vangelis was in a very good relation with Anderson. His music is often spacey but he can also be jazzy and avant. I wonder how a Yes album with him would sound... |
Posted By: Sound_Chaser
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:03
| Moraz was great, and it whuld have been very intresting if he hade stayed for some more albums, they got way to comercial on Going for the one and Tormato, i think that if they hadent kicked Moraz out and keept on working with him things whuld have gone in a another direction and meby we whuld have hade even more great progy yes albums, who knows. |
Posted By: Gluhwein
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 14:31
| My choice would've been Liberace. The only pianist (no pun intended) more flashy than Wakeman. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:31
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Vangelis made an appearance on AWBH (or whatever the name is |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:37
| I'll go with the majority, as Moraz really was a gifted keyboard player who brought a hint of jazz-rock to proceedings. In my opinion, 'Relayer' is actually a more ambitious album than 'Tales From Topographic Oceans' (though I love that album) regardless of length, as Yes explore totally new musical pastures on 'Relayer', which they never really explored again. To these ears, 'Relayer' is second only to 'Close To The Edge', and I would have found it very interesting if Patrick Moraz had stayed for another album- the results could have been stunning. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 16:26
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But why didn't Moraz stay??? They started with him on a next project, that much I know...but what happened then???? I've read it somewhere, but can't remember...hmmm, internal conflicts???? |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 17:03
Official reason: the band thought that Patrick was psychologically a foreigner, being a Swiss musician and not really being to go with the English rock-flow. Chris Squire said: be honest, how many Swiss rockbands are there? Not too many. They didn't communicate well. But: I thought I read once in an interview with Pat Moraz that he saw things differently, and that he was thrown out (just like Peter Banks and Tony Kaye), because Brian Lane, the manager, wanted Rick Wakeman back. I don't know what the real reason is. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 21:01
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Hey, how great would have been Yes with Jobson's violin and keyboards! Jobson is a rare keyboard player who really masters piano. Jobson has the capability to be fast, complex, atmospheric, jazzy and very catchy: he can emulate Emerson, Wakeman and Watkins. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 22:15
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side note from Patrick Moraz, he is modest as he
probably had more to do with composition than anyone at this time period of Yes. Ricks work is mostly interpretation of Patrick's ideas, they had never met at this time period. We had written, together, quite a lot of the material which ended up on "Going For The One", like "Awaken", "Wondrous Stories" or even "Parallels" which were as much part my composition as anyone else in the band at that time. I also came up, during the two previous years prior to the recording of "Going For The One", with a lot of ideas and contributions to the band and its sound. The fact that I was not credited as a writer of the songs, does not mean I did not compose for the group. As a member of the band, I composed as much as I could, as much as I was "allowed" to compose by the others. |
Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 22:34
i just wanted to pop in and say this has been the most interesting thread ive read in progarchives. Ever.! Congrates on making such a good thread and countinue!!  im gonna save this thread when its all over so i can read it again and again. its great to be abl to read so many interpitations for this topic!. my thought. I think Patrick Moraz to be a perfect guy for the job, i dont know him that well, but he seemsed to fit the role in perfictly. relayer sounded choatic but at the same time refined. Rickwakeman would have messed that up, He is structure structer and more structure. thats why he left yes after topographic oceans! if relayer was more refined, it would still have been a good album but it was perfect because it was so raggedy!
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 23:11
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From what you guys are saying, Moraz hung around long enough to make contributions for some of the songs on 'Going For The One', but how much did he actually 'write' for 'Relayer'. My understanding is that the bulk of the music had already been written before he came on board. In fact, I believe Yes were seriously considering to record it as a four piece? Secondly, I'm not surprised Moraz has got the most votes as we only 'know' his keyboard contribution and we've obviously got use to hearing 'him' on the album. I'm sure we would be voting for the same player on the album no matter who it was, whether Jobson, Greenslade, Argent, Vangelis et al. All those mentioned are great players in their own right and would have made their own mark on the album, just like Moraz did. |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 01:43
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I think that Vangelis was the best choice. ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 02:03
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BTW, I believe Jobson was a Yes member for a 1983 tour and he even appears in the Owner of a Lonely Heart video, but things didn't worked out as didn't worked with JethroTull. Incredibly they returned to Tony Kaye, who IMO is under the level of Jobson. Vangelis is OK to work with Jon Anderson and his mystic and ethereal music, but not perfect for Yes, a more Rock oriented band Iván -------------
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 02:40
I think Keith and Jon had plans to work together at the end of the 60's , but Keith was into Bartók and Jon was into Stravinsky and Sibelius. It would not do harm to rock music if other musicians had differences like that. |
Posted By: flying teapot
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 20:12
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I believe Patrick was the perfect choice. Relayer is one of the most complicated and excelling Albums of yes. I believe Patrick gave the band new blood, and pushed them to go beyond the usual. If Patrick fit in, that is more complicated, and probably the reason of his short lived stay in the band, Wakeman will always be known as the Keyboarding of choice for Yes, and YES Knows this all too well, and knows that thats what most of their fans want as well. Even though Wakeman does not completely fit in the band as far as his lifestyle, he loves to party. Would any other player have worked, and would they have lasted longer in the band...I don't believe so. Keith Emerson has far to geat an ego to have been part of the thought process of YES, maybe would have won over Squire for a solo project. Van Leer would have been interesting but Jon would not have let him Yodel and therefore he would leave immediately. Jon Lord to Hard Rock, and total Lack of Synth knowledge.. could have contributed to the writing. I believe that Eddie Jobson would have done the best, if Patrick could not have made it. PS Patrick did not last very long in the Moody Blues either, or Refugee...maybe he wasn't much of a team player?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 21:42
nice post Ivan! Listening to Moraz, live, is something to behold. interesting ...all the comments on Moraz and Relayer, considering that the keys were not an emphasis on that album. From everything I've heard and read, the majority of the album was already 'constructed' when Moraz came aboard thus Howe and Squire had moved in on the sonic territory that the keys (Wakeman) had occupied on past Yes albums. As Ivan said, I got more appreciation for Moraz listening to his live performances with Yes than I did on the album itself. He had much more room to....'express' himself in the live settting. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 03:27
I'm not a fan of the solo Moraz I've heard, but he contributed to what I find the best Yes album, and he's very much a part of it, so I don't see anyone else could do it better 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 03:48
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My first Yes concert was the Relayer tour. It was the best Yes I have ever seen. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 04:39
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Few points from me: Moraz did a brilliant job on Relayer but from the many interviews I've read - and I have read many - it seems he just wasn't gelling in the same way when it came to Going for the One, where the band were heading off in a different direction. So the comments about "he should have stayed" are maybe misguided. There was never going to be a Relayer Mk 2. I've read Chris' comment about "Swiss musicians" and I don't think we can take that too seriously...though Moraz clearly didn't gel in the same way as Wakeman did. I get the impression Rick had the strength of personality to stand up to the others when needed. Patrick, when asked by the band "are you a vegetarian", reportedly said "No, but I will become one if I have to"  . I agree with the comment about Howe and Squire moving into the space left musically by the departure of Wakeman. But, Moraz did really add something to the album. Wakeman has said he was asked to review Relayer and was pleased when he heard it because he couldn't have added anything, it wasn't his thing. According to Emerson's autobiography, he had approached Chris Squire about forming a band before he put together ELP, but Squire didn't want to take on lead vocals. The potential choice of Vangelis has always puzzled me, maybe it would have worked, but somehow I think it would have flopped. There just doesn't seem to be a match of styles there. Eddie Jobson on the other hand...... Just to pick up on comments about Moraz being "modest" about his contribution to Yes compositions etc. I think I've read his claims, maybe they are true but in all his interviews, modest is not a word I would apply to him. Maybe its the language.... but whereas Wakeman appeared to have a crisis of conscience about leaving the band, Moraz had no hesitation whatsoever in dumping Refugee when Yes came along. On the composing front Wakeman did contribute to "Heart of the Sunrise" and "South Side of the Sky" but went uncredited due to record company reasons. |
Posted By: muffley_mirkin
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 10:23
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Ohh, can you imagine Vangelis working with them. I'm sure some
interesting nusic would have come out of that. Was it ever an option or just speculation? Perhaps Vangelis would not have gone on take to make Mythodea and the other dodgy releases recently. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 13:47
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Flying Teapot wrote:
You are right, but thre are a lot ofreasons for this: With Yes:
With The Moody Blues:
With Refugee:
On other words, despite his shy character and some so called "Prima Donna" atitudes, Moraz had to face a great problem, he was always the new guy, the replacement of a long time friend with a totally different and unique style. Just imagine, he had to replace Wakeman, Emerson and Pinder, the only one left to replace was Banks on Genesis!!!!! It's obvious that nobody in his position can make old bones with any of this bands. Iván
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 14:04
| Anyone who would have insisted the rest of the members to not play cacophonic instrumentals as in "Gates" and "Sound chaser". |
Posted By: flying teapot
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 15:23
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Good Points Ivan... Its hard to always play second fiddle, but he indeed left his mark on all three bands and on eacg occasion did a superior job. Would have been interesting to see hwat he would have done in Genesis?
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 16:13
Did a superb job, yes...not necessrily superior. And although he was very much second fiddle with yes and Moody Blues, I thought he was at least an equal partner in Refugee. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 18:10
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Phil wrote:
I agree, I can't say if Relayer is better than Close to the Edge, but I can't imagine each album with a different keyboardist. Relayer was great with Moraz and CTTE was incredible with Wakeman. About Refugee, lets face it, they were The Nice without Emerson, they were used to play with Keith, he was the lead man of The Nice and people wouldn't go on those days to see The Nice without Emerson, so they changed the name of the band (As Gensis should have done after W&W). Again Patrick was the new guy, no one was used to work with him, his styles were absolutely different. The couldn't kick him because it wasn't The NIce, but they just gave up, even when the album is outstanding. Iván -------------
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