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M@X 
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:36 |
ANNONCEMENT: NEW RATING ALGO. AND EDIT RATINGS/REVIEWS OPEN TO ALL MEMBERSHi all, in the effort to improve Progarchives.com we have a new way of calcultating the average rating of albums. New AVG Rating Algorithm: - all rating only weight 1 pt.
- members reviews value is 5 pts.
- all collabs : pr, c, sc and admins reviews: 10pts
Also, we are going to offer every member the possibility to edit their ratings and reviews. Stay tuned for more info about this in the coming days. Thanks for all your comments, and critics. M@X
Edited by M@X - May 03 2009 at 12:37
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Prog On !
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:59 |
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That's some pretty good news for the admins and senior members!
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Stooge
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:25 |
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That's good news. I like the weighing, and I know of one grammar error in one of my reviews that I can hopefully edit soon. Better I fix it than contacting an admin I suppose.
Does this mean that all the rating averagess currently up will be recalculated?
Edited by Stooge - May 03 2009 at 13:26
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M@X
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:27 |
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Well , actually it's an incentive for the non-prog-reviewer members to
post review and have more weight in the algo. The weight of reviews
before was 3. Also, the RATING ONLY is now counting for 1 for ALL.
And yes , all the rating will be re-calculated, soon...
I think it may be more adapter to the PA reality this way...
what do you think ?
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Prog On !
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Pekka
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:34 |
Sounds good, not being a prog reviewer but still putting a lot of effort for a review now and then 
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Lucent
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:41 |
This disgusts me. Outright disgusts me.
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Tony R
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:42 |
 Lucent wrote:
This disgusts me. Outright disgusts me. |
You must live a very sheltered life. 
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Lucent
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:55 |
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion.
Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
Edited by Lucent - May 03 2009 at 13:55
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Tony R
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:58 |
Lucent wrote:
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion.
Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
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Ok, but why not elaborate on your misgivings rather than resorting to emotive language that just alienates people and results in your opinion being devalued? 
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Lucent
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:00 |
Tony R wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion.
Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
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Ok, but why not elaborate on your misgivings rather than resorting to emotive language that just alienates people and results in your opinion being devalued?
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Ah yes!
It's because I have this very strong equality belief, and I don't believe that the opinions of one person should be above another, despite whether they be an administrator or a regular member. However, I do agree with the people who "just review" getting less weight than that of the people who do make detailed reviews.
Then again, that's just me. If the entire site likes it, then...well...alright. I won't trust the album reviews as much anymore though...
Edited by Lucent - May 03 2009 at 14:01
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:01 |
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^but this is not just the administrator, it's the OWNER
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:03 |
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I just find it funny that most of the people with a problem against the weighting system here don't have more than ten reviews.
Or any, in some cases.
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Tony R
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:15 |
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I personally do not trust "Ratings Only" and believe they should carry 1/2 weight if any. That's just my personal opinion though.
Edited by Tony R - May 03 2009 at 14:16
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LiquidEternity
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:16 |
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You know what I've discovered that I do recently? I don't look so much at the overall rating, I don't look so much at the reviews, necessarily... I look at the number of reviews per album. If a band has a few albums out and most of them have hardly any response from contributors but one has a large number, I conclude that that one is the place to look. Just thought I'd throw that out.
I firmly believe in equality, too. And worldwide peace. And that beautiful women will find me impossibly irresistible. Doesn't make it entirely feasible. We've seen what pure equality without incentives brings: communism, and it doesn't work. People deserve equal rights and representation, not a removal of all incentives to succeed. I suppose, though, we could level the academic playing field, automatically give everybody the same grade so that they are equal. Feature a commune of workers who all has perfectly equal say in how things work for the company. Nice ideas, but seriously poor post-modern pansy pandering that acts out of the current social trend which says that the complaints of a single individual should outweigh everything else. Anyways, I went a bit off topic there.
I'm glad all reviewers get upgraded against the rating-only issue. This update is way more fair to the non-Collaborator members of this community. Very good decision, I say!
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crimson87
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 16:58 |
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Great move man!!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 17:12 |
Lucent wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion.
Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
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Ok, but why not elaborate on your misgivings rather than resorting to emotive language that just alienates people and results in your opinion being devalued?
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Ah yes!
It's because I have this very strong equality belief, and I don't believe that the opinions of one person should be above another, despite whether they be an administrator or a regular member. However, I do agree with the people who "just review" getting less weight than that of the people who do make detailed reviews.
Then again, that's just me. If the entire site likes it, then...well...alright. I won't trust the album reviews as much anymore though...
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... sooooooo member reviews are worth MORE now and you're pissed off about it? Very strange,
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 17:23 |
King By-Tor wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion.
Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
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Ok, but why not elaborate on your misgivings rather than resorting to emotive language that just alienates people and results in your opinion being devalued?
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Ah yes!
It's because I have this very strong equality belief, and I don't believe that the opinions of one person should be above another, despite whether they be an administrator or a regular member. However, I do agree with the people who "just review" getting less weight than that of the people who do make detailed reviews.
Then again, that's just me. If the entire site likes it, then...well...alright. I won't trust the album reviews as much anymore though...
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... sooooooo member reviews are worth MORE now and you're pissed off about it? Very strange,
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Personally, I'd value the views of someone who's taken the time to articulate them a bit over those of someone who just thinks them. It's more correlative to my style of listening to and judging music. About this move 1) great that everyone can edit reviews. Big step forwards. 2) good levelling SCs etc. and regular reviewers - its always seemed odd to me that those promoted for the reason of their reviews would be weighted lower than people who were selected maybe more for their interest in helping the site and specialist knowledge.
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Finnforest
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:01 |
Good stuff, thanks Max!!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Dean
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:10 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
2) good levelling SCs etc. and regular reviewers - its always seemed odd to me that those promoted for the reason of their reviews would be weighted lower than people who were selected maybe more for their interest in helping the site and specialist knowledge.
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That was never the case - Prog Reviewers, Collaborators, SC and Admins have always been weighted equally.
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What?
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: May 04 2009 at 00:39 |
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Sorry, but 10 to 5 is frankly a bit more weight than should be given to collabs. Other than that this seems like a positive move.
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