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Topic: NEW RATING ALGO. AND EDIT RATINGS/REVIEWS OPEN TO
Posted By: M@X
Subject: NEW RATING ALGO. AND EDIT RATINGS/REVIEWS OPEN TO
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:36
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ANNONCEMENT: NEW RATING ALGO. AND EDIT RATINGS/REVIEWS OPEN TO ALL MEMBERS Hi all, in the effort to improve Progarchives.com we have a new way of calcultating the average rating of albums. New AVG Rating Algorithm:
Also, we are going to offer every member the possibility to edit their ratings and reviews. Stay tuned for more info about this in the coming days. Thanks for all your comments, and critics. M@X ------------- Prog On ! |
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:59
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That's some pretty good news for the admins and senior members! |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:25
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That's good news. I like the weighing, and I know of one grammar error in one of my reviews that I can hopefully edit soon. Better I fix it than contacting an admin I suppose. Does this mean that all the rating averagess currently up will be recalculated? |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:27
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Well , actually it's an incentive for the non-prog-reviewer members to
post review and have more weight in the algo. The weight of reviews
before was 3. Also, the RATING ONLY is now counting for 1 for ALL. And yes , all the rating will be re-calculated, soon... I think it may be more adapter to the PA reality this way... what do you think ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:34
Sounds good, not being a prog reviewer but still putting a lot of effort for a review now and then  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:41
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This disgusts me. Outright disgusts me.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:42
You must live a very sheltered life.  |
Lucent wrote:Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:55
Nah. I just thought this site would be above this kind of notion. Life tastes very good right now. Like ice cream.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:58
Ok, but why not elaborate on your misgivings rather than resorting to emotive language that just alienates people and results in your opinion being devalued?  |
Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:00
Ah yes! It's because I have this very strong equality belief, and I don't believe that the opinions of one person should be above another, despite whether they be an administrator or a regular member. However, I do agree with the people who "just review" getting less weight than that of the people who do make detailed reviews. Then again, that's just me. If the entire site likes it, then...well...alright. I won't trust the album reviews as much anymore though...
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:01
| ^but this is not just the administrator, it's the OWNER |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:03
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I just find it funny that most of the people with a problem against the weighting system here don't have more than ten reviews. Or any, in some cases. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:15
| I personally do not trust "Ratings Only" and believe they should carry 1/2 weight if any. That's just my personal opinion though. |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:16
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You know what I've discovered that I do recently? I don't look so much at the overall rating, I don't look so much at the reviews, necessarily... I look at the number of reviews per album. If a band has a few albums out and most of them have hardly any response from contributors but one has a large number, I conclude that that one is the place to look. Just thought I'd throw that out. I firmly believe in equality, too. And worldwide peace. And that beautiful women will find me impossibly irresistible. Doesn't make it entirely feasible. We've seen what pure equality without incentives brings: communism, and it doesn't work. People deserve equal rights and representation, not a removal of all incentives to succeed. I suppose, though, we could level the academic playing field, automatically give everybody the same grade so that they are equal. Feature a commune of workers who all has perfectly equal say in how things work for the company. Nice ideas, but seriously poor post-modern pansy pandering that acts out of the current social trend which says that the complaints of a single individual should outweigh everything else. Anyways, I went a bit off topic there. I'm glad all reviewers get upgraded against the rating-only issue. This update is way more fair to the non-Collaborator members of this community. Very good decision, I say! ------------- 
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 16:58
| Great move man!! |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 17:12
... sooooooo member reviews are worth MORE now and you're pissed off about it? Very strange, |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 17:23
Personally, I'd value the views of someone who's taken the time to articulate them a bit over those of someone who just thinks them. It's more correlative to my style of listening to and judging music. About this move 1) great that everyone can edit reviews. Big step forwards. 2) good levelling SCs etc. and regular reviewers - its always seemed odd to me that those promoted for the reason of their reviews would be weighted lower than people who were selected maybe more for their interest in helping the site and specialist knowledge. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:01
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Good stuff, thanks Max!!
------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:10
That was never the case - Prog Reviewers, Collaborators, SC and Admins have always been weighted equally. ------------- What? |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 00:39
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Sorry, but 10 to 5 is frankly a bit more weight than should be given to collabs. Other than that this seems like a positive move.
-------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 00:43
| no one seems to realize that that's the same as before... |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 01:08
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Can we edit the reviews?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 04:00
non-collab weighting has increased by 66.7% from 3 to 5 ------------- What? |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 04:20
| yes, but collab weightings are still higher. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 05:48
Ah, right. I might have been mistaken then... I seem to remember hearing of SCs being rated as 10 and regular PRs as 5... probably just me being crazy  |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 06:25
Ah...indeed here most of reviewers under senior are great, but a few are malignant.  Reviewers with 4 or 5 stars are all great so I think, as a general rule, it's not strange a Collaborator's review rating be heavier than a non-Collaborator's one.  Well, we senior members should try hard to be good Collaborators. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 06:47
And there you are. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 07:08
Nah, I'm only a wanderer on PA. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 09:16
| Don't listen to Lucent; this is a great improvement. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 09:29
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I don`t understand what anyone is talking about here. As far as reviews go I think we should do away with ratings altogether. The tone of the review should say it all.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 09:34
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Just to be clear , the changes mean that non-collaborators reviews have a greater impact on the ratings than they had before. Also, all ratings without reviews now have a weighting of 1. Up until now, ratings without review by a collaborator still had a weighting of 10.
We feel it is only fair to keep the collaborator ratings weighted higher, as they have a proven record of contributing to the site, and it offers an ongoing incentive for others to become Prog reviewers, collaborators, Special Collabroators etc.
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 09:54
I know!!! I just wrote a review of Masque in celebration. I've mulling that one over in my head for years now! Thanks M@x!!!!  |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:03
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OK all, Every reviewer members can now edit their ratings and reviews ... It's more progressive this way , don't you think ? Now, I will implement de new algorithm , as mentionned above. More feedbacks here later ! Prog On ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:09
Thanks! I think this is a great idea as it allows everyone the opportunity to go back and improve their reviews. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:14
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I'm all for this change. Look forward to seeing how things re-shuffle. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:23
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Still haven`t a clue what you guys are talking about. Guess I`ll write a review and see what happens to it.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 11:20
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one pt for ratings. Great idea, and it will give these scores their proper weight. If the best you can do is take 5 seconds to tick off your view, then , here's the thanks for your time. The 10 to 5 weight seems fair also. I believe that most members reviews are as worthy/valuable as PA's collabs, admin, and reviewers, when it comes to giving albums a fair hearing (i.e. no fanboyism or spite). But there are enough people out there who often seem more intent on settling scores rather than giving their honest opinion on a release. Examples (non-prog to avoid arguements) AC/DC's Black Ice was as good as most of what they'd put out. When it first came out , I played it 3-4 times a week for about a month. But I don't play it anymore, and can't hum more than a few songs from it. Crowded House's Alone Together was a great disappointment initially , until it clicked about a month or two after I bought it. This despite the fact that I'd listened to it about 6 times in that period. I love all the Klaatu albums. Yet I didn't rate them all at 5. One is good, two are pretty good, and two are great. There is a reason for the 1 - 5 scale, and these releases are rated on where I think they fit. But there are some that rate their idols' albums at an amazing across the board 5. Check to see if a reviewer, collab or admin has ever given that sort of evaluation for a band's total output ... Those insights are what PA is hoping its' community is able to keep in mind when reviewing an album. Not to refrain on reviewing new albums as they come out. Not to refrain from sharing your adoration or abhorrence of a group's music. Just the ability to keep those thing in mind when you're writing a review. (i.e. it's O.K. to love ELP until they release Love Beach. Just the same as you can love Love Beach and hate the rest) And, for those who PA eventually "promotes" to the higher echelon ... your weighting on existing reviews go up also. In effect, your opinion and knowledge have come to be seen as worthy of more responsablility (yes , there is that trade-off. You will be expected to share in the site's workload & meet certain standards - no " I like the album, therefore I give it a 3" reviews. Some meat on the bones is expected , if you will). In the end, it all works out. Two PA designated prog reviewers dismissing an album as worthy of a 1 do not outweigh twenty community members who rate it a 3. And there are more people in the community than in the "upper ranks". And finally, as one of this sometimes called "inner circle", you'd be surprised at how few reviews or reviewers get flagged for downright ... er .... questionable reviews. And how many community members get noticed for their well thought out opinions, enthususiastic or dismissive. Indeed, there are a good number that are recognized for their ablilties and views, again without judgement on whether they agree with us or not. When it comes to choosing someone for a collab or reviewer position, the problem is not lack of proposed candidates, but rather the reality that many can't give the time and work that is required to do the job properly. TO end this all too brief post - take heart. Your opinion(s) are always appreciated & requested on most of the changes here at PA. And just as you may notice some people's writings , yours may be too. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 11:21
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Thanks M@X. I'm very amazed all album ratings can be re-calculated at once.  And also I basically agree with Easy Livin. I appreciate your confidence in us non-Collaborators.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 11:28
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When do the ratings get re-calculated? ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 11:32
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Stay tuned for more info, it should be today or tomorrow. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 11:56
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So Klaatu , Night Sun & Ange should finally top the top 100
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 12:49
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Not everyone can edit their reviews:
"You account doesn't have the persmission to do this"
might want to fix the grammer on that rejection message as well -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 12:53
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let me check
------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 13:50
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Sorry can't reproduce, please tell me when it occurs ? review edit, add albums ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 14:17
Fine for me ------------- |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 15:28
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The new algorithm is in place ..... a few moves in the TOP 100, go and check it out http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1 please comments here... Max ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 15:33
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GOOGLE CACHE of yesterday of the TOP 100 PA http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.progarchives.com%2Ftop-prog-albums.asp%3Fsalbumtypes%3D1&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enMY285MY285&aq=t - http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.progarchives.com%2Ftop-prog-albums.asp%3Fsalbumtypes%3D1&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enMY285MY285&aq=t ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 15:34
Leftoverture dropped a few places. I'm not happy. 
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 15:40
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Not an earth-shattering change but some interesting place shifts. I notice that Wish You Were Here has 666 ratings and now claims top spot...  |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 15:47
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Unless my eyes deceives me, Phideaux was thrown right off the list...?
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:01
down to #113 I'm afraid. http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=25&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=3.5&smaxresults=250&x=57&y=6#list - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=25&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=3.5&smaxresults=250&x=57&y=6#list |
Posted By: Ray Stokes
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:03
And Terria was thrown all the way into 54 from off the list. Take the good with the bad I suppose. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:09
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Something went right: Operation Mindcrime and ELP debut are now in the top 100. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:12
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I noticed something else: Albums with more than a 4.00 have 5 stars (it was that only albums with a 4.50 or greater had 5 stars). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:14
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Gazpacho's Tick Tock took a pretty significant hit.
So did Octopus
 Though Free Hand gained some ground...
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:19
I've sent an email to Max. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:19
Yes, and it need 25 ratings to have the LABEL: Essential : A masterpiece of prog rock music and others label too. Below 25 ratings , no label is assigned. Now we have pretty much more 5 stars and Masterpieces Before that, there was only 5 masterpieces 5 stars. Comments ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:24
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Good grief, light speed. I'm not sure I like the idea of lots of "masterpieces". I think we should be more select. If an album has a rating of 4.49 it is still closer to a "4" than it is to a "5 star" rating. Also, I'm still not sure we need Proto & Prog-Related in the Top 100 Prog album list...IMHO.. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:25
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I would also vote down Proto and Related for the top 100. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:32
| The new rating system is an improvement. Too bad "Anabelas" by Bubu went from #66 to # 155 , such a masterpiece. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:35
Actually, I don't think it's position has changed since yesterday - yesterday 209th with 51 votes, today 209th with 52 votes
( http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57145&PID=3230572#3230572 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57145&PID=3230572#3230572 ) ------------- What? |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 16:40
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I guess I hadn't been watching since it started to correct itself. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Gooner
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 20:12
| Great news! I know I've got a couple of type-os I'd to correct.. Also, it's nice to revisit albums that may have grown on you(or not) and perhaps improve a rating. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 20:25
| ^hey! Being a Prog Reviewer you could have edited them too... |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 23:33
I got the "You account doesn't have the persmission to do this" message when I tried to add a review to an album that I only had a rating for (ironically one that has a rating not by design but because the review didn't go through when I first submitted it). Could be that this particular album just hates me. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 04:03
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Although certain aspects of this change are not shared by me, being able to correct the review is quite good. How to view the reviews of one genre (in member review list), especially for one like me who do not plan the reviews. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 04:27
Isn't that just extremely logical (as in why bother?)? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:40
Seconded! ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 18:44
I think it was "better" without that rounding system, I mean, seeing a lot of 3 stars albums, rated as 4 and saying they're excellent. Not a big issue, but I personally preferred it the other way, if it's 3.5, well then, yes it's 4, but not when it's a 3. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:05
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I think it should be 3.45 rounds to 3.5 rounds to 4. Every thing lower than a X.45 should be bumped down to X. They way it is now, it's essentially ranges. 1 is poor, 1-2 is Collectors/Fans, 2-3 is Good, 3-4 is excellent, 4-5 is masterpiece. Wouldn't be a bad idea except the inability to give a 0 makes a poor rating of an album nearly impossible unless it gets straight 1's. Alos, it kinda shafts the previous reviews that were scored based on the previous system. If we are going to stick with the ranges idea, you should probably lop 0.5 stars off every previous review to make it fair. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:40
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I've bring back the old rounding but for the 5 stars, album with 4.25 and up and rounder to 5. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:48
| ^that seems fair enough for me, thanks for re-considering! |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 11:55
| I like the idea of everyone being able to edit their reviews, and no review ratings all weighting at 1. But I think bumping up members to 5 gives too much weight to anyone who feels like constructing a review of sufficient wordiness to tout their heroes and/or diss their detractors. The latter seems to be happening a lot lately in the guise of substantive reviews. By the time someone has become a reviewer/collaborator/etc, I trust their reviews a lot more than twice as much as a newbie. But I appreciate that many insightful people might want to stay as members at large rather than become reviewers in name, so another idea might be to reward VIP members more than regular members. ie- VIP members reviews weight 6, other members 3 |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:23
Good points, Ken. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:34
For the criteria of 5 indicating that it is a must have album, yet only 5 reviews, I see a disconnect. If an album is really that good and has a 4 plus rating, surely more would comment. ------------- 
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:51
But there are lots of bands with few ratings that are still great. Take for example Pat Metheny. He doesn't have an album with more than 18 ratings, yet I know he is a fellow worth looking into. So when I look through his discography to see where to start, I don't look for what's rated really high--I look for albums with the largest number of ratings: the albums that have made the biggest splash, either way, in the prog world here. I mean, if such an album is rated really low, I can assume that it's well known for how bad it is. But I when looking into new music, I will check out an album with twenty ratings and a 3.5 long before I check out an album with four ratings and a 4.8. Make sense? The number of reviews also factors into it, too. But I'm not talking about quality here, just about what albums catch my eye when I check out a new act on this site. For example, to start on Magma, I looked for the album that hit the most places, not the fan favorites (and that one I checked out is, of course, MDK, with a whole lot more reviews than the other ones). I feel like I'm blabbering on and on, sorry. I think it's just silly to assume that "if an album is really that good . . . surely more would comment." There are lots of fantastic albums out there that fewer than five people have reviewed. They're just not the place to start, at least not necessarily. -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:59
I am with Tony on this one, but won't make a deal about it, at the end the charts mean close to nothing to me.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:19
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^ makes a lot of sense too, since you're probably not too much into discovering new music. I can only guess what you're listening to though, since you're not using last.fm or any other playlist service.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:58
Not much into discovering new music Mike?
For God's sake, I added more than 50 bands last year alone, from various genres, not counting the ones added by the team, including Avant Garde, Heavy Prog, Symphonic, Eclectic, etc. Prog Metal is not the only new music out there, even if you want to make us believe so, there's plenty new music out there in many genres, there's even old music I bnnever heard before and is unfairly ignored, I don't care for most Prog Metal, but that doesn't make me a retrograde who doesn't care for new music. Last FM is a good choice for you, I don't care for it, I never read the play lists, because it's designed according to your taste, not mine and say nothing, I don't need to go telling people what I listen or listen a band because it's in your play list My reviews speak for me and for the people who took their time writing them, and that's the reason why I don't care for ratings alone is because I don't trust them , I don't even know if the person has heard the album or gives a 5 because he loves the band (If you remember a lot of people gave 5 stars ratings to Octavarium when actually were listening a LaBrie album) or one star because the guy hates the band ( http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23553 - http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23553 the Adms had to clean this page, because the guy had given 5 to Pink Floyd and 1 star to evrything else -Yes, Genesis, etc- without a review). Reviews speak loud and clear, give me reasons, feelings, reaction to the music and/or lyrics, arguments, etc; ratings alone say nothing to me, and IMO are useless unless you have a site based in ratings mainly, which I don't visit for that same exact reason. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:28
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I noticed that the top 20 of proto-prog and prog-related are no more. I personally enjoyed and benefited from that top 20 (as I do with the other subgenres); if it's not too big of a deal, I'd like to see those features reimplemented. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:47
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I don't get last.fm, any more than I cared for Pandora after a little while. Their "programming" only exposes you to more of the same. I can't see that I would have discovered Univers Zero, unless I was already looking for other groups like that. I guess that is what Ivan really means. After all, why would a computer be able to surprise me with something that I wasn't looking for. In which case, Mike, you may want to ditch last.fm, and check out Spotify, or any of the many XM/Sirius Radio stations. It's easy to find other groups that sound like Dream Theater or Dun. The hard part is coming across them in the first place. And a computer program cannot decipher where you might be delightfully surprised by something based on another thing that you already like. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:16
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Good point Claude:
Liquid Eterenity's chart says:
This tells me he has heard Drean Theater (Which I don't like at all) and VDGG (Not my cup of tea either).
But doesn't tell me if he likes them, why, what's the best thing of them, how good are the lyrics...Absolutely nothing, except that he has listened a lot of VDGG in the last day.
If I want to know about VDGG, I would read reviews and have a better impression, and if not enough, I will get the album that sounds closer to what i might like according to a revioewer I trust, but last Fm, even when I might trust Liquid Eternity................. Please, I don't even know if he liked themn or just exploring a new artist for him, the rest remains in the
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:37
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Amen brother. I prefer reading reviews, and let luck take its' course. All it takes is the right one to pique your curiousity. And that applies to iconic releases, new or obscure albums. P.S. - for all the debate over weighting ... a good review is good. True, PA's reviewers and collabs may have a track record, and some heft behind their opinions ... but then I just use the example of Night Sun's Mournin to show that even prog reviewers, collabs & admin miss out on some gems. The enthusiasm showed by the few existing reviews at the time left me no choice but to get it. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:29
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These are excellent changes, but is there any plan to change the layout of the reviews? I much preferred the old way, and I can't bring myself to write a review knowing it will be shunted off to the side like that. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 11:20
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@Henry Planview: some visitors use the following page to display all reviews in 1 page http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=1251 - http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=1251 In the album pages, under the Ratings Distribution, click on the SHOW ALL REVIEWS/RATINGS link ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 07:47
This is also my problem.
And i've this problem both with review that with album add.
I am forced to do logging in every time that I being in PA, if I do the operations mentioned above. -------------
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Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: May 10 2009 at 04:22
| M@X, good job. A change in the right direction as to weight calculation. Possibility to change ratings and reviews a BIG step forward. Cool! |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 10 2009 at 04:48
I like imagining you talking. It makes me smile. You should post more often. |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: May 10 2009 at 16:26
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I'm personally very pleased with the changes, and I'm fine about the weighting - I trust this website to pick suitable people to be collaborators and I think it is only right that they are given the recognition they deserve. I've seen fairly n00by reviews which I don't think deserve as much weight. I love the change that means we can go over our reviews! Now, what would be GREAT would be someone proofreading everyone's reviews....just a thought ;) EDIT: Needed to proofread thatun, haha ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:12
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Thank you admins for making re-evaluation of personal ratings available to be changed. I already made a few changes. -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:50
Nice post Popeye!------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 16:37
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1) The rating alg: Seems much better for me too. Just a doubt about the rating only, does it count the same for everybody? 1pt for all? Or the rating from PR, Collab, SC, Adm weights more? 2) The edit review functionality: Very very good. Now I can write the respective review for some ratings I placed after joining the site, and didn't understood very well the difference between rating & review   (without depending on a Collab/Admin)------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 18:55
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Whoa. Review commenting? Cool.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:06
Useful function I feel. Damo Thanks M@X. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:06
A rating without a review counts as x1 for everybody. ------------- What? |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:23
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Although, as cool as these new things are, they're kind of big. Can we scale the text boxes back a bit? I don't think anyone would mind. And I must admit... I'm slightly confused as to how I'm being used as an example up there. Just that merely knowing what a person listens to informs nothing as to why? -------------
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 10:49
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I've scaled down the box as suggsted, thanks ------------- Prog On ! |