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    Posted: January 26 2009 at 06:30
Does anyone have any knowledge on the mystery of a prog rock band called "Grannie"?
 
I remember reading a feature in Record Collector about 15 years ago about the rarest prog rock albums and the self-titled album by Grannie was listed as the number one rarity.  I seem to think there were just 99 copies pressed (to avoid a tax?) and the sleeves handmade?
 
Does anyone own this rarity and what is the music like on it?
 
Is there really a cd re-issue of the album?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2009 at 11:44
Yes your right.In the Record collector  no 153,may 1992.It was in an article about private pressings.Interesting article.Aparantly back then only three copys on vinyl were known.It states they were a heavy guitar dominated progressive band simular to Andromeda and Gravy Train.The album was recorded in 1971.Fasinating stuff.
I like Andromeda and the heavy prog sound.I think it was re-issued as a CD or vinyl album but very unsure about this.Would love to know for certain as it would be nice to hear this rare private pressing without having to rob the bank.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2009 at 12:17
I have a version on CD released by Hugo-Montes Production (HMP-CD027).I don't know if it's a legal release ,minimal production ,the quality sound not at very high standards
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2009 at 12:50
Thats interesting.Could the sound quality be due to primative recording conditions and equiptment at the time?.Some of the Holyground recordings suffer from poor sound quality.But I have to admit that some of these private pressings are enjoyable to listen to,and there are a few real gems like Grinnilla by Peggys Leg on the Bunch Label.
I did a quick search in a later adition on the record collector no 330,Dec 2006 where they run through 250 of the most valuble records.They say here it's a gorgeous sounding progressive album,all with home made sleeves.
Oh ,thats gone and made me drool,LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2009 at 14:04
well, I will try to listen again the album these days ,maybe the sound it's better now that last time LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2009 at 15:30
Just looking at what could be the same CD you mentioned on the Hugo Montes Productions label.The cat number however is diffrent on this one,KOR-04.Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 01:22
My Hugo Montes Productions(HMP-CD027) with an old lady sitting with his electric guitar on the black&white cover  contains six tracks: Leaving (06:29) /Romany Return(04:06)/Tomorrow Today(07:04)/Saga of the sea Jester(04:31)/Dawn(05:05)/Coloured Armageddon(09:15)
Sounds like early Wishbone Ash with flute parts and westcoast influences,The quality sounds still not very high,seems that the source was from a magnetic tape Ouch....but still happy with him Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 04:44
Many thanks for all the replies.  So it seems that copies of this rare album are out there somewhere!  I agree with the comment about the sound quality as 30-odd years ago, the technology was not available.  The album seems a real mystery though.  One of those rarities that a few people know about and even fewer owning a copy.  Any info on whereabouts in the UK the band originated from?  Are the cd versions around 'official' releases?  Having looked in the Record Collector 2008 Price Guide last weekend, it states that mint original vinyl copies are worth £500.  Can anyone tell me what the Record Collector 1992 article gave the value as being?  I guess that in todays internet age that the value will have dropped from 1992 especially with these cd versions around.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:07
Tried to find out a little more about the band,but no luck.All I can gather is that Grannie split soon after making the album.Still not sure if the CD releases are official or not,but have my doubts about it.The value of the album was £800 in 1992 for the original SRT album.I guess the price on such an album will be depending on what a collectors going to pay for it,and what the seller is willing to take.I think a copy was sold on the internet in the last few years but will have to google to find out a little more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:27
Ok got the info was looking for.
 
A company I used to buy music from years ago used to stock the album.The company no longer excists but the web site is still up and running as an archive.The company was Freak emporium.
 
They list 2 copys of the album,one on CD which is the one that Gentle Giant mentioned,and a vinyl re-issue on Shadoks Music-Shadoks 078.
 
All copys were taken from one of the few remaining demo copys from 1971,which could explain the poor sound quality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:46
Yeah, so pity that Freak Emporium was closed.I remember that before  Freak emporium was closed I had the chance to buy another rare unknown UK band,  STALLION-The hard life(1974)-a kind of mixt between Fruupp,Byzantium and maybe After The Fire ..., but  this like a legit release with excellent sound quality and bonus tracks(plus video section).Here you can check some Stallion samples
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=200708658


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 08:08
I used to buy a lot of obscurities from them,really was a shame when they stopped trading.
Thanks for the letting us know about Stallion.Most unusual.Hard to believe the tracks are 70's.They remind me more of Fruitcake and some of the neo prog in the sound of the keyboards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 06:30
I had a good old search online for any more info but found nothing!  At least it's good to know that other people on here have actually heard of the Grannie album.  Also, thanks for the info on similar artists.  I will have a scout round Youtube for Andromeda etc.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2009 at 06:31

Is there anywhere online I could listen to the 'Grannie' album?  Ive tried Youtube as almost everything these days surfaces on there but alas no luck.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2009 at 11:15
ukprog2009 : you have one PM from me (in fact two) Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:21
Well guys, if your still interested in knowing about Grannie,I can enlighten you. They were a five piece band from east London Uk,and played all the clubs and pubs around London during the late sixties till about 1972.. Ninety -nine copies were made of some of their live set with a vocal overdub at a demo studio in Hertfordshire.Part of the deal was a printed label on the disc and just basic white album cover. We stuck copies of the small Grannie poster onto the white covers with cow gum. How they got into the 'most sought after'catergory is a complete mystery..although the music is great..they were only on sale to friends and family and at gigs  and never released officially..
The main man of the band was the brilliant guitarist Phil Newton who wrote all the songs and whipped the band into shape......he later started Blues Patrol but he is sadly no longer with us.
There are plans to OFFICIALLY release the album on cd with the full accompaning story and maybe even a website.  
Its a story that should be told. I was Phils brother-in law and my sister played in the band. I've never heard any copies of the cds that are out there but they must be pretty poor quality. being copies of copies.
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Hi guys, this is my first post so sorry to open up a really old thread as I know it is bad etiquette.

Donnimo is quite right: Phil Newton was the guitarist, and I am the Hammond organ player in Blues Patrol!

I have Phil's copy of the album, in fact - plus (don't get all excited; they are all self adhesive and stuck together!!!) a roll of the bands original gig posters which are a sepia print of the distinctive album cover. Phil was in the graphics/print trade and always - even to the end - excelled in going the extra mile on posters, gig list sheets etc all professionally done to a good standard (he'd be appalled at the quick knock-offs I churn out on the Mac these days!!!).

It IS a story that could and should be told and a crying shame that my dear pal Phil is no longer with us to see it unfurl; like so many here it was the RC feature on private pressings that alerted me to the existence of the Grannie LP. I was sitting with Phil one Saturday morning having a full English breakfast in Surbiton, Surrey (one of those Friday gigs where we all got drunk, asked the landlord if we could leave the cars and gear), met up for breakfast the following day and got our cars loaded. In fact, I tell a lie - we'd done breakfast/loading the cars and were in the garden of the pub where the gear had been, having a late morning "livener" having loaded up! We talked as friends and musicians often do of ventures we had been involved in, and also of putting out a Blues Patrol CD ourselves. "The last time I did that was 1970" he laughed. "We had a band called Grannie, and got some vinyls pressed at SRT. Thank f**k for CDs!" he added, with a laugh at how much easier it would be now (then!).

Of course, I remembered the RC feature that was but a few months (maybe a couple of years at most) old at the time and I think we'd all agree that the stony faced old lady with the Les Paul Custom guaranteed that Grannie (as well as the £900 price tag!!) would spring readily to mind. I almost dropped my pint.

"You were in Grannie?" I asked. Now, I was in my early twenties at the time and not born until 1974. Phil wasn't an RC reader and knew nothing of the feature, thus reasonably assumed I was taking the piss as if this band he'd mentioned would mean anything.

"Piss off!" he said

"Old lady, Victorian posture, armchair, black Les Paul?" I asked, and it was his turn to drop his pint!

I drove him back home via my Mum and Dad's where some old back issues of RC were kept. Thus, he was brought up to date on the importance of his old act and dug out his LP, at the same time finding the posters. We would often talk of putting it out and, yes, I cited the example of Dark as a reason why. There were other tales as well; he talked of seeing the first East London gig of King Crimson, of how the crowd went deathly quiet at the unexpected ethereal strings coming out of the PA live - and how this prompted Grannie to go into crippling hire purchase on a Mellotron; of a bassist called "Ginger Dixon" who joined the band after the LP, and his own first wife (I assume Donnimo's sister, then) playing keyboards - and the money he borrowed from his beloved Aunty Rose to finance his first Gibson guitar which is the Les Paul on the LP cover, superimposed. I worked in a record shop in those days and knew of labels like Kissing Spell at the time and tried to encourage him to talk to them. But then Phil died...

It was an unexpected end. We saw each other quite a bit gigging as well as going to see other acts that our mates were in. Phil was in a volatile industry and money (which had been quite abundant at one point) was starting be a worry. He and his long term partner had additionally called it a day and he moved into a small cottage that he owned but used to rent out (his partner had bought an identical one in the same street and until their split they lived in hers). I think he was worried about repossesion; he was always talking of his fear of having to leave Surrey and go back to the East End. Then one day he handed me his Grannie album and the posters. "I'd sooner you had it than a f**king bailiff" he said, "they wouldn't know what it was worth anyway!" he added. 

One day his phone stopped working. Then he didn't answer the door when a couple of us went round. I'd got to the point of writing a letter to post through his door, explaining that there were people who would see him okay, not to worry etc - not to mention the need to make arrangements for a gig the following week - but a chill went through me as the phone rang just as I hit the "print" option on the PC. It was another member of the band who had heard what we all dreaded - Phil was gone; died of a cerebral haemorrhage.

So all I have left is some vinyl he gave me - including Grannie. If I can help in facilitating an "official" release of this disc, I certainly will. I have adequate home studio facilities to run decent copies from the vinyl and clean it up and I remain involved in music. We took the decision to continue Blues Patrol after Phil's death and Tony Pow, a guitarist Phil admired and would always enjoy watching, fittingly took his place. Ex Warm Dust bassist (Ace/Frankie Miller is the usual reference but this is a prog forum!) Tex Comer features in the line up as well as Piblokto!/Graham Bond/Babe Ruth drummer Ed Spevock.

Hope this long and rambling tale has set the record straight (if it ever CAN be) and if anybody else wishes to join with me in a "quality" reissue of the album, send me a message.

Rob, Surrey, UK.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 12:37
Hi Rob,Donnimo here!
 
I hope you got my extended message,let me know if you didnt.I'd like to talk to you ! cheers Don
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 13:08
If you can get the vinyl recording cleaned up, it may be worth self-releasing it through Amazon's CreateSpace or Lulu.com - neither involve any initial outlay apart from the purchase of a "proof" copy - they are both "CD On Demand" so you don't have to invest in a batch run or pay any setup costs. Both provide bar-codes and will list your CD on Amazon. The only "killer" is the postage/shipping charges, as the CDs are made in the USA that tends to be a bit steep (or ruddy expensive as I prefer to call it). I've tried both methods and found CreateSpace to produce the better product.
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