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Topic: Grannie
Posted By: ukprog2009
Subject: Grannie
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 06:30
Does anyone have any knowledge on the mystery of a prog rock band called "Grannie"?
 
I remember reading a feature in Record Collector about 15 years ago about the rarest prog rock albums and the self-titled album by Grannie was listed as the number one rarity.  I seem to think there were just 99 copies pressed (to avoid a tax?) and the sleeves handmade?
 
Does anyone own this rarity and what is the music like on it?
 
Is there really a cd re-issue of the album?
 
Many thanks.
 



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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 11:44
Yes your right.In the Record collector  no 153,may 1992.It was in an article about private pressings.Interesting article.Aparantly back then only three copys on vinyl were known.It states they were a heavy guitar dominated progressive band simular to Andromeda and Gravy Train.The album was recorded in 1971.Fasinating stuff.
I like Andromeda and the heavy prog sound.I think it was re-issued as a CD or vinyl album but very unsure about this.Would love to know for certain as it would be nice to hear this rare private pressing without having to rob the bank.


Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 12:17
I have a version on CD released by Hugo-Montes Production (HMP-CD027).I don't know if it's a legal release ,minimal production ,the quality sound not at very high standards

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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 12:50
Thats interesting.Could the sound quality be due to primative recording conditions and equiptment at the time?.Some of the Holyground recordings suffer from poor sound quality.But I have to admit that some of these private pressings are enjoyable to listen to,and there are a few real gems like Grinnilla by Peggys Leg on the Bunch Label.
I did a quick search in a later adition on the record collector no 330,Dec 2006 where they run through 250 of the most valuble records.They say here it's a gorgeous sounding progressive album,all with home made sleeves.
Oh ,thats gone and made me drool,LOL


Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 14:04
well, I will try to listen again the album these days ,maybe the sound it's better now that last time LOL

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"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix."

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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 15:30
Just looking at what could be the same CD you mentioned on the Hugo Montes Productions label.The cat number however is diffrent on this one,KOR-04.Confused


Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 01:22
My Hugo Montes Productions(HMP-CD027) with an old lady sitting with his electric guitar on the black&white cover  contains six tracks: Leaving (06:29) /Romany Return(04:06)/Tomorrow Today(07:04)/Saga of the sea Jester(04:31)/Dawn(05:05)/Coloured Armageddon(09:15)
Sounds like early Wishbone Ash with flute parts and westcoast influences,The quality sounds still not very high,seems that the source was from a magnetic tape Ouch....but still happy with him Smile


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"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix."

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Posted By: ukprog2009
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 04:44
Many thanks for all the replies.  So it seems that copies of this rare album are out there somewhere!  I agree with the comment about the sound quality as 30-odd years ago, the technology was not available.  The album seems a real mystery though.  One of those rarities that a few people know about and even fewer owning a copy.  Any info on whereabouts in the UK the band originated from?  Are the cd versions around 'official' releases?  Having looked in the Record Collector 2008 Price Guide last weekend, it states that mint original vinyl copies are worth £500.  Can anyone tell me what the Record Collector 1992 article gave the value as being?  I guess that in todays internet age that the value will have dropped from 1992 especially with these cd versions around.


Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:07
Tried to find out a little more about the band,but no luck.All I can gather is that Grannie split soon after making the album.Still not sure if the CD releases are official or not,but have my doubts about it.The value of the album was £800 in 1992 for the original SRT album.I guess the price on such an album will be depending on what a collectors going to pay for it,and what the seller is willing to take.I think a copy was sold on the internet in the last few years but will have to google to find out a little more.


Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:27
Ok got the info was looking for.
 
A company I used to buy music from years ago used to stock the album.The company no longer excists but the web site is still up and running as an archive.The company was Freak emporium.
 
They list 2 copys of the album,one on CD which is the one that Gentle Giant mentioned,and a vinyl re-issue on Shadoks Music-Shadoks 078.
 
All copys were taken from one of the few remaining demo copys from 1971,which could explain the poor sound quality.


Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:46
Yeah, so pity that Freak Emporium was closed.I remember that before  Freak emporium was closed I had the chance to buy another rare unknown UK band,  STALLION-The hard life(1974)-a kind of mixt between Fruupp,Byzantium and maybe After The Fire ..., but  this like a legit release with excellent sound quality and bonus tracks(plus video section).Here you can check some Stallion samples
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=200708658


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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 08:08
I used to buy a lot of obscurities from them,really was a shame when they stopped trading.
Thanks for the letting us know about Stallion.Most unusual.Hard to believe the tracks are 70's.They remind me more of Fruitcake and some of the neo prog in the sound of the keyboards.


Posted By: ukprog2009
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 06:30
I had a good old search online for any more info but found nothing!  At least it's good to know that other people on here have actually heard of the Grannie album.  Also, thanks for the info on similar artists.  I will have a scout round Youtube for Andromeda etc.


Posted By: ukprog2009
Date Posted: February 12 2009 at 06:31

Is there anywhere online I could listen to the 'Grannie' album?  Ive tried Youtube as almost everything these days surfaces on there but alas no luck.

 



Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: February 12 2009 at 11:15
ukprog2009 : you have one PM from me (in fact two) Big smile

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Posted By: donnimo
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:21
Well guys, if your still interested in knowing about Grannie,I can enlighten you. They were a five piece band from east London Uk,and played all the clubs and pubs around London during the late sixties till about 1972.. Ninety -nine copies were made of some of their live set with a vocal overdub at a demo studio in Hertfordshire.Part of the deal was a printed label on the disc and just basic white album cover. We stuck copies of the small Grannie poster onto the white covers with cow gum. How they got into the 'most sought after'catergory is a complete mystery..although the music is great..they were only on sale to friends and family and at gigs  and never released officially..
The main man of the band was the brilliant guitarist Phil Newton who wrote all the songs and whipped the band into shape......he later started Blues Patrol but he is sadly no longer with us.
There are plans to OFFICIALLY release the album on cd with the full accompaning story and maybe even a website.  
Its a story that should be told. I was Phils brother-in law and my sister played in the band. I've never heard any copies of the cds that are out there but they must be pretty poor quality. being copies of copies.


Posted By: Rob the Organ
Date Posted: February 11 2011 at 18:56
Hi guys, this is my first post so sorry to open up a really old thread as I know it is bad etiquette.

Donnimo is quite right: Phil Newton was the guitarist, and I am the Hammond organ player in Blues Patrol!

I have Phil's copy of the album, in fact - plus (don't get all excited; they are all self adhesive and stuck together!!!) a roll of the bands original gig posters which are a sepia print of the distinctive album cover. Phil was in the graphics/print trade and always - even to the end - excelled in going the extra mile on posters, gig list sheets etc all professionally done to a good standard (he'd be appalled at the quick knock-offs I churn out on the Mac these days!!!).

It IS a story that could and should be told and a crying shame that my dear pal Phil is no longer with us to see it unfurl; like so many here it was the RC feature on private pressings that alerted me to the existence of the Grannie LP. I was sitting with Phil one Saturday morning having a full English breakfast in Surbiton, Surrey (one of those Friday gigs where we all got drunk, asked the landlord if we could leave the cars and gear), met up for breakfast the following day and got our cars loaded. In fact, I tell a lie - we'd done breakfast/loading the cars and were in the garden of the pub where the gear had been, having a late morning "livener" having loaded up! We talked as friends and musicians often do of ventures we had been involved in, and also of putting out a Blues Patrol CD ourselves. "The last time I did that was 1970" he laughed. "We had a band called Grannie, and got some vinyls pressed at SRT. Thank f**k for CDs!" he added, with a laugh at how much easier it would be now (then!).

Of course, I remembered the RC feature that was but a few months (maybe a couple of years at most) old at the time and I think we'd all agree that the stony faced old lady with the Les Paul Custom guaranteed that Grannie (as well as the £900 price tag!!) would spring readily to mind. I almost dropped my pint.

"You were in Grannie?" I asked. Now, I was in my early twenties at the time and not born until 1974. Phil wasn't an RC reader and knew nothing of the feature, thus reasonably assumed I was taking the piss as if this band he'd mentioned would mean anything.

"Piss off!" he said

"Old lady, Victorian posture, armchair, black Les Paul?" I asked, and it was his turn to drop his pint!

I drove him back home via my Mum and Dad's where some old back issues of RC were kept. Thus, he was brought up to date on the importance of his old act and dug out his LP, at the same time finding the posters. We would often talk of putting it out and, yes, I cited the example of Dark as a reason why. There were other tales as well; he talked of seeing the first East London gig of King Crimson, of how the crowd went deathly quiet at the unexpected ethereal strings coming out of the PA live - and how this prompted Grannie to go into crippling hire purchase on a Mellotron; of a bassist called "Ginger Dixon" who joined the band after the LP, and his own first wife (I assume Donnimo's sister, then) playing keyboards - and the money he borrowed from his beloved Aunty Rose to finance his first Gibson guitar which is the Les Paul on the LP cover, superimposed. I worked in a record shop in those days and knew of labels like Kissing Spell at the time and tried to encourage him to talk to them. But then Phil died...

It was an unexpected end. We saw each other quite a bit gigging as well as going to see other acts that our mates were in. Phil was in a volatile industry and money (which had been quite abundant at one point) was starting be a worry. He and his long term partner had additionally called it a day and he moved into a small cottage that he owned but used to rent out (his partner had bought an identical one in the same street and until their split they lived in hers). I think he was worried about repossesion; he was always talking of his fear of having to leave Surrey and go back to the East End. Then one day he handed me his Grannie album and the posters. "I'd sooner you had it than a f**king bailiff" he said, "they wouldn't know what it was worth anyway!" he added. 

One day his phone stopped working. Then he didn't answer the door when a couple of us went round. I'd got to the point of writing a letter to post through his door, explaining that there were people who would see him okay, not to worry etc - not to mention the need to make arrangements for a gig the following week - but a chill went through me as the phone rang just as I hit the "print" option on the PC. It was another member of the band who had heard what we all dreaded - Phil was gone; died of a cerebral haemorrhage.

So all I have left is some vinyl he gave me - including Grannie. If I can help in facilitating an "official" release of this disc, I certainly will. I have adequate home studio facilities to run decent copies from the vinyl and clean it up and I remain involved in music. We took the decision to continue Blues Patrol after Phil's death and Tony Pow, a guitarist Phil admired and would always enjoy watching, fittingly took his place. Ex Warm Dust bassist (Ace/Frankie Miller is the usual reference but this is a prog forum!) Tex Comer features in the line up as well as Piblokto!/Graham Bond/Babe Ruth drummer Ed Spevock.

Hope this long and rambling tale has set the record straight (if it ever CAN be) and if anybody else wishes to join with me in a "quality" reissue of the album, send me a message.

Rob, Surrey, UK.

PS - Should have joined this forum before considering my unwavering devotion to the Man band,







Posted By: donnimo
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 12:37
Hi Rob,Donnimo here!
 
I hope you got my extended message,let me know if you didnt.I'd like to talk to you ! cheers Don


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 12:55


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 13:08
If you can get the vinyl recording cleaned up, it may be worth self-releasing it through Amazon's http://www.createspace.com/Products/CD/" rel="nofollow - CreateSpace or http://www.lulu.com/uk/publish/cd_dvd/?cid=nav_cd_dvd" rel="nofollow - Lulu.com - neither involve any initial outlay apart from the purchase of a "proof" copy - they are both "CD On Demand" so you don't have to invest in a batch run or pay any setup costs. Both provide bar-codes and will list your CD on Amazon. The only "killer" is the postage/shipping charges, as the CDs are made in the USA that tends to be a bit steep (or ruddy expensive as I prefer to call it). I've tried both methods and found CreateSpace to produce the better product.

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Posted By: ukprog2009
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 12:59
Wow!!!!!!!!!  Rob, many many thanks for your posting about 'Grannie'.  I never thought I would see the day when any band member or album details would ever surface.  Would love to know the full history about the band and album now!!!


Posted By: GemmaBlyth
Date Posted: March 08 2011 at 16:04
Well now this is an interesting conversation.
 
I am 28 years old and have a musician for a father, who has always told me of a time when him and a drummer friend were asked to help out a local band they knew from the pub circuit and from 'round the corner' when they lived in east London in the early 70s at a hertfordshire recording session.  This turned out to be Grannie.
 
My Dad John Stevenson was the hammond player at the time and John Clarke was the drummer/percussionist (I hear stories about playing a tambourine in a cupboard....high tech effects they had back then!).
 
Similar story really that they didn't believe me either when I stumbled upon the RC article and their memories being what they are they remember nothing about the band other than a few names and that they had indeed heard about Phils passing.
 
Anyway I'm currently clearing out my house and found 2 of these records am wondering if anyone wants one and how much they maybe worth?
 
Great to have some more information to pass onto my dad though so thank you.


Posted By: GemmaBlyth
Date Posted: March 09 2011 at 16:40
It has been brought to my attention I wrote I had 2 copies....this was a typo and I do only have 1.  The one that was given to my Dad after the recording of it.  Apologies.


Posted By: ukprog2009
Date Posted: March 13 2011 at 03:58
Originally posted by GemmaBlyth GemmaBlyth wrote:

Well now this is an interesting conversation.
 
I am 28 years old and have a musician for a father, who has always told me of a time when him and a drummer friend were asked to help out a local band they knew from the pub circuit and from 'round the corner' when they lived in east London in the early 70s at a hertfordshire recording session.  This turned out to be Grannie.
 
My Dad John Stevenson was the hammond player at the time and John Clarke was the drummer/percussionist (I hear stories about playing a tambourine in a cupboard....high tech effects they had back then!).
 
Similar story really that they didn't believe me either when I stumbled upon the RC article and their memories being what they are they remember nothing about the band other than a few names and that they had indeed heard about Phils passing.
 
Anyway I'm currently clearing out my house and found 2 of these records am wondering if anyone wants one and how much they maybe worth?
 
Great to have some more information to pass onto my dad though so thank you.
 
I think the original copies of Grannie in mint condition were £500 in 2008 but Im sure I have seen higher sold prices online when searching for the band info.  Wonder if the vinyl originals will increase or decrease in price now that there is a proper cd release?
 
Gemma, I would love your vinyl copy but the price is way out of my price range!  Have you any more band info you can post or any photos?  Thanks.
 
 


Posted By: eddyvortex
Date Posted: March 16 2011 at 06:01
I knew Phil from the mid 70's when Grannie was doing mainly covers. Every now and then Phil would decide to play one of his own compositions and they would always go down well with the crowd.
I have recently been in touch with Donnimo's sister and she feels the whole story needs to be told about Phil and Grannie and  I agree with her as sometimes genuine talent gets passed by and lost.
Unforunately we have lost Phil but we have a chance to document everything now while those that knew him and the band are still here.
 
Rob I will be in touch.
 
I still have my copy of the album and one (dog-eared) poster.
 
Just as an update for those interested a copy of the Grannie album sold on Ebay for over £2000  recently. (I wonder if this was bought just as a trophy or genuine love for the album ?)
 
Keith


Posted By: Rob the Organ
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 08:00
Don, sorry it took me so long to remember to dive in here and have a look - have PM'd you with email address,

Rob




Posted By: Grannie F
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 14:08
Hi Rob

Like yourself I too have sat on the fence for a while every bit of about 4 weeks when I stumbled on a web site talking about Grannie so I did a little more searching and found your comments which inspired me to throw my hat over the fence. I have been in and out of the music business for best part of my life and played with a number of talented bands which includes Grannie in fact I am the lead singer on the album so I too knew the creative and talented Phil Newton very well along with Dave the bass player Janet on flute & John on drums.

Its unfortunate but I had no contact with the band members after the split back then. Yes I too still have a copy of the album although I'm interested in the new re-release CD's supposedly in circulation. I read your input into your friendship with Phil and pictured his face when you mentioned a band called Grannie, your depiction of his reaction was probably the same as mine when I found out after all these years we had not been forgotten. I am truly saddened to hear that Phil is no longer with us and of the tragic way in which he passed. Phil was dedicated to his music and a professional and talented person with a lot to give. The studio session back in 71 was something to remember and working with a team of talented musicians was a bonus, the vocals were an overdub and if I remember correctly we stood and watched the first master copy being cut the same day. We were all so much younger and the era was electric, it’s a shame I'm too late to be able to share my thoughts with Phil. I have no memorabilia of the band but have often wondered what happened to all the photos that were taken in a famouse recording studio in Denmark Street late the same year, I do beleive we were on our way and am sure I still have the original recording contract with Grannie.

Regards to all those who remember me and best regards to you Rob for coming forward, sometimes we need a push to stand up, thank you.

Fred, lead singer, Grannie      


Posted By: donnimo
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 17:27
Hi Fred,
 
Don here,Jans brother you probrably dont remeber the ever present kid in the corner all them years ago do you? we have been desperate to get in contact with you and Dave about the re-release of the Album please get in touch if you get this message...I will send you you my email and phone number on a private message
Good to hear you are still around cheers Don


Posted By: SB
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 18:20

Phil Newton and Grannie.

 

I don’t really do the past, but a friend of mine saw that the Grannie album was being released by Wooden Hill and he asked me if I was singing on it. (I’m not. That’s Fred). He directed me to this site and I thought oh well…

 

I finished school in 1971 determined to leave Cornwall, where I had grown up, and come to London to join a band. There was an ad in Melody Maker that said, ‘Signed band seeks singer’, so I rang the number and it was Jan from Grannie saying there was an audition the following Saturday in Ilford.

 

I turned up at the audition in a small rehearsal room at the back of Sainsbury’s  and was met by Jan, Dave Holland (‘H’), John the drummer and Phil.

 

For the next eight months I worked at Kentons furniture store in Stoke Newington, (thanks to Phil who had a job as assistant window dresser for the Kentons chain), slept on Phil’s sofa and was the lead singer with Grannie,

 

The album was already pressed at this point but Fred had left.

 

Jan and Phil and ‘H’ were all really warm towards me and introduced me to the delights of cockney speech (Me trousers ‘ave broke) and the general ‘living in East London’ experience.

 

Not long after I joined we went to a studio in Denmark Street which I remember being a couple of doors down from where Rose Morris is now and I recorded some tracks. This may be the same studio that Fred talks about.

It was my first recording session.

 

John the drummer had left the band so we found someone named Graham who was from Zimbabwe which was still Rhodesia at that time (Interestingly, he knew Ricky Fataar and Blondie Chaplin, also from Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, who were working with the Beach Boys touring the ‘Holland’ and ‘Carl and the Passions’ albums).

 

We played various places and eventually landed some gigs at the Speakeasy.

 

At one of them Bowie/Ziggy and Pete Townshend were in the club as well as Ed Goodgold, who was the manager of Sha Na Na. He came up to Phil and said how great we were and gave him Tony Stratton Smith’s number (Charisma records) and said he would tell him to come and see us.

 

Following that, I think the same night, the manager of the Speakeasy, introduced himself and said he would manage the band and we could rehearse at the Speakeasy on Sundays when it was closed.

 

Around this time Graham left the band for some reason and on the second rehearsal I arrived at the Speak and met Ginger Johnson who was an Australian drummer Phil was very excited about.

 

We rehearsed with him that day and as we were packing the gear we were talking about needing a van.  The Speak manager said to us ‘Oh do you need a van? I’ve got one.’

Then he suggested we pack all the group gear in the van and he would look after it until the following week at a place he had in the Mile End Road. We did that for a couple of weeks.

 

Then on the next Sunday I was walking up north Regent Street toward Margaret Street where the Speak was situated when I saw the manager coming towards me. As I got within earshot he stretched his arms out wide in a helpless gesture and said ‘All the gear’s been nicked’

 

As the singer I didn’t have any gear but Jan and Phil lost everything including the Mellotron and Phil’s Les Paul. H had taken his bass home but he lost his rig. Everything was on hire purchase and uninsured.

 

(To this day, whenever I hear people romanticising the 1960’s East End criminal fraternity, I always remember that it was East End working people who had their gear stolen somewhere on the Mile End Road.)

 

We talked about carrying on but I confess it seemed to me like a huge mountain to climb and by that time I wanted to start a band of my own.

So I left and went back to Cornwall.

 

I came back to London a year later with my band and one night I met ‘H’ at the Fulham Palace Greyhound where we were playing. I forget what we talked about except that he was very impressed with our PA.

 

Nothing much happened for that band and we split. I drifted for a while,

trying to re invent myself ,as you do, then Punk and New  Wave happened and I got signed. After that I worked pretty consistently through the 80s and 90s on my own stuff and doing session and production work.

 

Like a lot of people in the industry I didn’t get super rich or famous, but I did okay through publishing because I wrote songs.

 

And song writing was the main thing I took away from my time working with Phil.

 

I had written songs before I joined Grannie but being a keyboard player as well as a singer everything I wrote felt too chordy.

 

I learned from Phil how melody could dictate the chords in a song not the other way around. He would sing the melody and sit the chords underneath with these nice little guitar licks that drifted in and out of the vocal part and he would also let the vocal change the tempo and mood of the music.

 

Songs like ‘Leaving’ really show this but there were others that aren’t on the album like ‘Wait in Line’. I can still remember the guitar lick and sing it to this day. Catchy as hell.

 

And of course Phil could play the blues. He was a big Clapton fan in 1971 and we would all stay up until 4 in the morning, usually listening to the ‘Layla’ Album and talking while he doodled and wrote on the guitar.

 

I also remember when he played live he would tap his foot sideways instead of up and down. I asked him about it once and he said he copied it off Paul McCartney because he thought it looked cool.

 

These days I teach music and occasionally I drive out east on the A13 and turn south on the A117.  The sign pointing north says Manor Park, where Phil lived at that time, and I always think back.

 

I was so sorry to hear that Phil had passed away. I never saw him again after 1971 but working with him was a really formative experience for me.

 

He introduced me to proper song writing.

 

SB

 



Posted By: roadie pete
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 09:13

Well! What a lot of momories reading this forum have evoked for me.

My part in the Grannie story goes back to 1956 when I was pupil at Napier Road infants school in East Ham London. Among the other kids in the class was Phil Newton. We were not by any means best mates or enemies but went through infant, junior and secodary schools in the same year and mostly in the same class. We laft school in the mid 60’s and that was that, until 69/70 when I bumped into Phil at a local music venue. He told me of the bands and music he played and I told him I was now an electrician. One thing led to another and I became Grannies roadie. Humping gear in and out of gigs and rehearsal rooms etc. The worst thing was that Phil lived in a first floor flat with a narrow staircase, and that was where the gear was stored.

          The gigs they did at the Speakeasy were brilliant. Grannie were a really good live band, the interplay of Phils guitar and Daves bass was what really impressed me. Among the covers that  always went down well at gigs were thier renditions of ‘Ohio’ by Crosby, Stills & Nash, ‘Black hearted woman’ by The Allman Bros and Claptons ‘ Have you ever loved a woman’.

          I was at the recording sessions in Denmark Street, some good stuff was put down that day including ‘Black hearted woman’. I wonder what happened to those recordings.

          Another gig that sticks in my mind was  a 21st birthday party in a big posh house somewhere in Kensington. The band got there and set up for the gig and then the guests sat down for a meal and the band were ushered into a romm for an hour or so until they were to play. The caterers said they would bring us some drinks, they did. A case of 12 bottles of champagne! The rest of that evening is somthing of a blur for some reason. I know that the next morning I woke up on the floor of Graham, the Rodhesian drummer’s, flat in Chalk Farm with a steaming hangover!

          As for the bands gear being stolen. Well all I can say is that it was all very fishy. A big shame. Grannie were certainly good enough to have gone on to enjoy the success and recognition that they deserved.

          Many years later with the advent of the internet I tried to trace Phils wherabouts and found a site about a tribute evening for Phil Newton who had died a year earlier with an email contact. I wrote to find out if it was the same Phil as I had known and it was so I went from Somerset where I now live to the gig and met a lot of people who had known and played with him in the latter part of his life.

          And as for the Famous Grannie LP, Yes I have a copy. Cheers Phil

R.I.P. Phil Newton

 

          Pete



Posted By: sheila newton
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 18:09
I have been searching for information relating to Philip Newton and I finally came across your web site.

I married Phil Newton in 1967 when we were both 17 years old. We first met when we were both 15 years old and worked at Dun & Bradstreet in London.
We had a son, Stevie Paul who sadly died at 2 weeks of age. We then had another son Morgan in 1971.

During the year of Morgan's birth Phil was writing the songs and music for the Grannie Album. The group was constantly at our flat in Manor Park. I remember Dave Holland (H), the bass guitarist and Janet and Geoff Chandler, organ player and roadie. Most of my family had copies of the Grannie album, as did I.

In May 1972, Phil and I separated and Janet left Geoff and moved in with Phil.
In 1974 Phil and Janet married and at that time they discovered that Phil had been adopted, which caused him a great deal of distress and pain.

He discovered his biological mother actually lived a few streets away from where we had been living in Manor Park. I had known her for several years as she owned the launderettes where I went every week.

Phil saw Morgan regularly for about 7 years, but as he had moved away the contact became less and less.

Two years prior to his death, Morgan contacted Phil's half sister Barbara and asked if she could contact Phil and let him know that he would like to see him.

He then moved to Northampton and again time just went by and he heard nothing.

Then I received a phone call from Kathy, Phil's biological mother, who told me that Phil had been found dead at his home in Surrey.

Morgan and I went to her house the following day, when she informed us that Phil's long term partner had gone away for the weekend that Phil had died. She said that Phil had left a will naming only his long term partner and that he had not mentioned Morgan. She also told us that she had advised Barbara not to get involved with Morgan's earlier request.

Morgan asked her if she would ask Phil's partner if he could have some photo's or a copy of any film she may have of Phil playing the guitar. She said she would arrange this for him.

Morgan was very upset and hurt by her comments.

Two years after Phil's death, I received a visit from a personal friend and previous roadie to Phil (Jimmy Tarling). He told me that he had been in constant contact with Phil and also that Phil constantly spoke of Morgan, wondering how he was getting on. But the most surprising thing was that he said Phil was no longer with the long term partner that Kathy had spoke of.

He also said that Kathy had sold him one of Phil's guitars.

When I read the coments of by Donald Mowat and Rob.I felt the need to write the above, Morgan now has two children of his own, aged 3 and 4 and would love to have something to show them about their grandad when they get older. he has longed to know something about his father. Fortunately he now has the Youtube music but he would like to have pictures or film of his father actually playing.

I do  not understand why Kathy felt the need to lie to him, but obviously she must have her reasons, unfortunately she has moved away and I don't know if she is still alive. Then again maybe it's best that I cannot contact her!

Any pictures you may have would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Sheila Newton


Posted By: donnimo
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 14:18
Hi Shiela,
Long time no speak!!Funny to find you on here, Let me have your email number and we can talk
best wishes my email mailto:is.do[email protected]" rel="nofollow - [email protected]
Don


Posted By: Dave 'H'
Date Posted: January 27 2013 at 03:38
Hi everyone,
I notice that most of the comments on this page are quite old but I'm hoping someone will read this.
 
I only found out about this whole 'Grannie' thing 3 weeks ago when me and my wife, Sue, had been talking about old times (as us old gits do now and again!) She happened to Google Phil's name and the name of the band and we were shocked and supprised at all the information that came up. Supprised to learn that the Grannie album could now be bought from various web sites and that an original pressing had become collectable, but then shocked and saddened to find out that Phil had died some years earlier. Reading Rob the Organ's comments, it's good to know that Phil was aware of all the good and positive things that were being said about Grannie and in particular, his songs.
 
Like Pete the roadie, I too had tried to track down Phil's whereabouts but it was in the early days of the internet (pre-Google) and I drew a blank. The last I heard from Phil was that he and Jan were moving to the West Country and we had moved to Berkshire. ( no mobile 'phones or e-mail addresses then-if you lost the scrap of paper with the address and 'phone number on, well....
 
Anyone who knew Phil knew that he was a very talented guitarist and songwriter but in the early days before Grannie and before he had begun songwriting, he and I would jam the 'blues' at his flat in Manor Park and, boy, could he play the blues! That style was his first love and now, looking back with an older and wiser head you realise that he was (what us old codgers would now say) no more than 'kid' of about 19!
 
It's also good to know that previous band members and family and friends of Grannie are still out there and my very best wishes to you all.
 
Regards,
Dave 'H'
 
 
 


Posted By: sheila newton
Date Posted: January 27 2013 at 09:25
Hi Dave 'H',
How nice to see your message and know that you are well. I have been trying to track you down, Jimmy has also been trying to find you, Please message me on [email protected]


Posted By: donnimo
Date Posted: January 27 2013 at 12:57
Hi Dave ('H')
re: the Grannie reissue
Don here Jan's brother,  great to hear from you. We had been trying to contact you  for ages but all roads led nowhere. I hope you are still playing!  you probrably dont remember me, I was a mere lad when I last met you.Would love to talk to you again. You can email me on mailto:do[email protected]" rel="nofollow - [email protected] and I'll give you my phone number.
I hope you are well Dave...... all the best
 
Don


Posted By: Aphex3030
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 14:52
Original Grannie album available for your viewing pleasure on ebay!


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201120547344


Posted By: Aphex3030
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 00:05
Original vinyl on ebay for your viewing pleasure!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= tel:201120547344" rel="nofollow - 201120547344


Posted By: Aphex3030
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 00:07


Posted By: laza
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 07:30
HI SHEILA LIKE LOTS OF PEOPLE FROM THE GRANNIE DAYS .I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BAND .MY NAME IS LARRY AND YOU MAY REMEMBER I WORKED WITH PHIL IN OXFORD STREET IN THE SIXTIES AND WAS A GREAT FRIEND OF PHILS FROM THE DAY WE MET .YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN HE STARTED GRANNIE FIRST HE GOT ME TO PLAY SAX WHICH DROVE YOU MAD IN YOUR FLAT IN MANOR PARK .POOR NEIGHBOURS.WE HAD SOME GREAT TIMES AT GIGS .I REMEMBER DAVE THE BASS PLAYER GREAT PLAYER ..THE OTHER NAMES ESCAPE ME AT THE MOMENT ..UNFORTUNETLY I LEFT GRANNIE BEFORE THE ALBUM BUT I STILL REMEMBER ALL THE SONGS ..SO SO SAD TO LEARN OF PHILS DEATH   .IT KNOCKED ME FOR SIX ....IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GET HOLD OF ANY RECORDINGS OF PHIL PLAYING I WOULD LOVE COPIES   JUST TO SHOW MY SON IN LAW WHO IS GUITAR MAD       MAKE CONTACT PLEASE        larry


Posted By: ryanfoto
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 14:16
Interesting radio 4 programme a few weeks ago about Private Pressings featuring Jan Newton as part of the contributors to the programme. She talks about Grannie and the recording studios in Luton and the demise of the band. You can still listen again on i player and the programme is Tom Ravenscroft Campervan of Dreams. I will be buying some of this music at some stage.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 14:36
Love how this thread continues to be some swirling nostalgia vortex -



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