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TBWART 
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 Topic: VANGELIS ON THIS WEBSITE OR NOT?
Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:00 |
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Here is the poll, sugested by a member as a reaction to my Vangelis topic.
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''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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philippe
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:01 |
great!! hope that members will reply in their majority 
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tuxon
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:03 |
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Yes he is a progressive artist, I don't like most of his albums, but the ones he did with Jon Anderson are good, his involvement with progressive rock in general is not to be underestimated.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:04 |
From the negative choice you give us , not much choice since both are VERY negative. I chose not to answer.
He is in part on the Archives as Aphrodite's Child is.
I think that there is a conscensus not to put Jarre or Vangelis in! Exactly why is a mystery to me since Oldfield is in.
BTW: welcome to the Archives.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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haas
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:04 |
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Reactions can also be given in --> http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5267
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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haas
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:06 |
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So you think that much of the metal bands, and for example radiohead, is more Progressive rock than Vangalis or Oldfield?
You should eather do your progressive rock history homework, or you apply a complete differint Defenition of progressive rock than the usual.
ps. thanks for your welcome!
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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TBWART
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:07 |
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He was even asked to join YES when Wakeman left for the first time, so the yesmen did think he was progressive enbough I reckon...
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''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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TBWART
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:11 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
From the negative choice you give us , not much choice since both are VERY negative. I chose not to answer.
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You are right. For everyone who thinks the poll is to negative, consider the first ŽNoŽoption as a plain no.
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''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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philippe
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:13 |
haas wrote:
So you think that much of the metal bands, and for example radiohead, is more Progressive rock than Vangalis or Oldfield?
You should eather do your progressive rock history homework, or you apply a complete differint Defenition of progressive rock than the usual.
ps. thanks for your welcome! |
that is an endless debate! ...I'm not allowed to answer
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James Lee
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:14 |
Sean Trane wrote:
He is in part on the Archives as Aphrodite's Child is.
I think that there is a conscensus not to put Jarre or Vangelis in! Exactly why is a mystery to me since Oldfield is in.
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Not to mention Kraftwerk is in now as well. I don't have an opinion (other than that I could add a couple of reviews for two of his albums that I own) but it would seem that Vangelis, Jarre, and Oldfield are similar enough that all (or none) of them should be included. And the Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk inclusions add some fuel to that argument as well.
But I have faith in the ProgArchives 'powers that be'. They've done right by me in the past. 
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haas
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:17 |
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As I already said; You can like Vangelis or not, but if you understand wat Progressive rock is, and if you know the progrock history you will have to acknowledge that Vangelis should be included on this website.
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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TBWART
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:24 |
I think that Vangelis would be glad if he was ever to visit this site and see his albums here. 
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terramystic
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:24 |
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I'm a big Vangelis fan but I'm not sure. Some of his albums are kind of
prog e.g. Albedo, Heaven & Hell... Beaubourg, Invisible connections
are avant... but in the general he's a new age artist and a composer
for the movies. But on the other hand Oldfield also made a lot of
non-prog albums, so it's worth to think about including Vangelis...
Jarre is different than those two. I don't find him that progressive. He just made electronica popular...
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James Lee
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:27 |
^ Jarre's Oxygene and Vangelis' Blade Runner soundtrack are two of the most commonly listed influences for just about every modern electronic act (along with Kraftwerk, of course). That would seem to indicate they have something in common...though it also may support your point that they may not be 'essentially' prog.
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haas
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:29 |
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There are so many artists on this website that have made some progressive records and a lot of crappy absolutely not progressive albums. I agree that for example the blade albums he made are absolute crap and shouldn't be included on any website (or cd store:)).
But I keep on repeating, don't like him, or even hate him, if you look at the prog history and who he collaborated with, and what he did, you can't go around him!
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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philippe
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:31 |
yeah...but Kraftwerk made a more innovative music & belongs to the rise of the german prog scene (late 60s, beginning of the 70s)
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:38 |
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Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis....
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TBWART
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:39 |
And the only thing some bands are progressing is their lack of musical feeling and interest in progression. The Point I want to make is: artists who have even only made one prog album are included here (like eg Jon Anderson). Vangelis has (arguably) made three, so he should definately be included!!!
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VLADO
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:40 |
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yes, of course he is progressive, and not only he should be here, but also Kitaro and I would say JMJarre too.
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...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make...
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TBWART
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Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:42 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis.... |
Completely different artists!!! You cannot compare them!!
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