VANGELIS ON THIS WEBSITE OR NOT?
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Topic: VANGELIS ON THIS WEBSITE OR NOT?
Posted By: TBWART
Subject: VANGELIS ON THIS WEBSITE OR NOT?
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:00
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Here is the poll, sugested by a member as a reaction to my Vangelis topic. ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:01
great!! hope that members will reply in their majority ------------- 
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:03
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Yes he is a progressive artist, I don't like most of his albums, but the ones he did with Jon Anderson are good, his involvement with progressive rock in general is not to be underestimated. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:04
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From the negative choice you give us , not much choice since both are VERY negative. I chose not to answer. He is in part on the Archives as Aphrodite's Child is. I think that there is a conscensus not to put Jarre or Vangelis in! Exactly why is a mystery to me since Oldfield is in. BTW: welcome to the Archives. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:04
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Reactions can also be given in --> http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5267 ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:06
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So you think that much of the metal bands, and for example radiohead, is more Progressive rock than Vangalis or Oldfield?
You should eather do your progressive rock history homework, or you apply a complete differint Defenition of progressive rock than the usual. ps. thanks for your welcome! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:07
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He was even asked to join YES when Wakeman left for the first time, so the yesmen did think he was progressive enbough I reckon... ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:11
You are right. For everyone who thinks the poll is to negative, consider the first ŽNoŽoption as a plain no. ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Sean Trane wrote:Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:13
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that is an endless debate! -------------
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...I'm not allowed to answerPosted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:14
Not to mention Kraftwerk is in now as well. I don't have an opinion (other than that I could add a couple of reviews for two of his albums that I own) but it would seem that Vangelis, Jarre, and Oldfield are similar enough that all (or none) of them should be included. And the Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk inclusions add some fuel to that argument as well. But I have faith in the ProgArchives 'powers that be'. They've done right by me in the past. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:17
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As I already said; You can like Vangelis or not, but if you understand wat Progressive rock is, and if you know the progrock history you will have to acknowledge that Vangelis should be included on this website. ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:24
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I think that Vangelis would be glad if he was ever to visit this site and see his albums here.
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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:24
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I'm a big Vangelis fan but I'm not sure. Some of his albums are kind of
prog e.g. Albedo, Heaven & Hell... Beaubourg, Invisible connections
are avant... but in the general he's a new age artist and a composer
for the movies. But on the other hand Oldfield also made a lot of
non-prog albums, so it's worth to think about including Vangelis... Jarre is different than those two. I don't find him that progressive. He just made electronica popular... |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:27
^ Jarre's Oxygene and Vangelis' Blade Runner soundtrack are two of the most commonly listed influences for just about every modern electronic act (along with Kraftwerk, of course). That would seem to indicate they have something in common...though it also may support your point that they may not be 'essentially' prog.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:29
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There are so many artists on this website that have made some progressive records and a lot of crappy absolutely not progressive albums. I agree that for example the blade albums he made are absolute crap and shouldn't be included on any website (or cd store:)).
But I keep on repeating, don't like him, or even hate him, if you look at the prog history and who he collaborated with, and what he did, you can't go around him! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:31
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yeah...but Kraftwerk made a more innovative music & belongs to the rise of the german prog scene (late 60s, beginning of the 70s)
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:38
| Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis.... |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:39
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And the only thing some bands are progressing is their lack of musical feeling and interest in progression. The Point I want to make is: artists who have even only made one prog album are included here (like eg Jon Anderson). Vangelis has (arguably) made three, so he should definately be included!!! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:40
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yes, of course he is progressive, and not only he should be here, but also Kitaro and I would say JMJarre too. ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:42
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Completely different artists!!! You cannot compare them!! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:42
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I agree, that Eno should also be included here. But, let's stay on the topic, Vangelis.
------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:45
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I totally agree with you!! -------------
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 07:58
Excuse me, but that sounds to me like saying; no, first YES, then King Crimson and then we can discuss GENESIS. I think you cannot say something like that because the three are far too different to be compared to eachother. And furthermore, Jarre's music is much more pop. And Eno is not prog enough either. Prog is NOT the same as experimental!! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 08:05
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Prog is NOT the same as experimental!! Yes but there are connections!! -------------
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Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 08:10
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But, to stay on the topic.
There are connections between prog and experimental, but Vangelis IS prog! His albums are absolutely progressive! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 08:11
yes, and they are very clear. To make prog you have to experiment... But the thing I want to say is that a prog website should first concern itself with gathering as much ''normal prog'' as possible, and only after they have done that, start looking for related movements like jazz fusion, electronic, metal and experimental. ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 08:13
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You are right, and if you look at prog, and prog only, Vangelis should be in! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 08:52
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albums that were not progressive rock(ha ha, right!),
but are classifiable as very similar! * = not included in the archives currently *Brian Eno - Another Green World (75) Utopia - Todd Rundgrens Utopia (74) Lard Free - Im Around About Midnight (75) *Jean-Michel Jarre - Equinoxe (77) *Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (76) Bo Hansson - Lord of the Rings (72) *Cluster - Zuckerzeit (74) Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear (76) Ashra - New Age of Earth (76) *Neuronium - Quasar 2C361 (76) Picchio dal Pozzo - same (76) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (73) 
WWIII looks like the English(backed by the Americans) and German led armies are fighting the battle front in Holland currently. Surely the english will turn back the Teutonic led european invasion! 
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:01
Yeah!!! That's what I mean!! All that music that is VERY progressive but not represented on the archives, and that's just a shame! And to me Vangelis was just the first to spring to mind! So, let us look out for new and old musical horizons, and expand the archives with more prog music of all kinds, and let's start with Vangelis! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:10
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TBWART, i couldn't agree more.
Please people from Progarchives, wake up and give us the opportunity to review are progressive heroes! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:14
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I couldnt agree less............CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:26
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but you're a lady, and ladies cannot fight! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:54
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Because I dont think that vangelis is prog ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:55
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ah, allright. ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 10:00
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But if your reason is that it's not from America, that's kind of pathetic.
I you would know prog history, you would have to acknowledge that he was a major part of the progscene in the 70's. ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 10:02
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But maybe he should be here anyway. I mean prog fans like him.he has assosiations with prog. In fact I suppose hes "proggish". Besides theres less prog stuff here! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 12:46
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Thank you, I hope the Progarchives webmasters will read this too! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 15:11
Oh yes, I can. Seeing that they are often thrown into the New Age part of CD shops, there is some argument to lump them together in discussions. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 15:19
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I'd agree with those who call a lot of his later work New Age, but his early solo work (up to about 1980) was definitely prog. After all, this is the man who was largely responsible for 666 by Aphrodite's Child, came within a whisker of replacing Rick Wakeman in Yes and had a long and sometimes fruitful collaboration with Jon Anderson. Heaven and Hell should be in every prog collection. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 19:44
Agree! I'm also starting to support this idea. Vangelis was in very close relationship in the 70's and Heaven and Hell is a real classic! |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 19:49
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Albedo 0.39 and Spiral arent bad either. Later Mask
was an interesting artistic statement. If the kiddies can play the adults ought to be able to supervise a little, we've already been there! Toy soldiers lead to army men! |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 21:57
| I respect Vangelis, and I do think that he has some prog albums (most noteably Heaven and Hell), but I'm not totally sure that it's enough to warrant inclusion on the site. |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 00:37
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Hehe Radiohead got in, anything's possible. ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 00:42
I've always wondered why he wasn't in here!  ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 00:48
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Well ... if Mike Oldfield made it to the archives, I can not see why Vangelis can not be acknowledged, despite the more 'new-age' elements of his post 80's work. He has worked with prog greats such as Jon Anderson and Aphrodites Child. I particularly like his work with Jon Anderson. So...imo YES .. Vangelis is prog enough to be included ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 01:03
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A word on these arguments about taking in/leaving out some artists/bands that aren't in the centre of PROG but somewhere in the margin. Does it take something out from those that don't like Vangelis (or more precisely, who don't think he's prog enough), if he was taken in? They can just ignore it. As long as an artist/band is SOMEHOW considered more or less progressive (even if not by everybody), it should be taken in, if Archives try to be as extensive as possible. Do you agree on this principle generally? There are some other names too I miss here: WISHBONE ASH (should really please any proghead), Magna Carta, Brian Eno (hell, why not? Roxy Music is here too), Cirkus (made just one album in '70 if I remember right), Annie Haslam's solo career, etc. |
Posted By: haas
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 02:03
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Oeh, what a reactions, let's hope progarchives will not ignore them! ------------- "the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 02:59
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I've got nearly all of Vangelis albums.I think the following are 'progressive': Heaven and Hell Albedo 0.39 Spiral Beauborg See You Later Direct After that I'm not sure.Albums such as China and Soil Festivities are great instrumental music but probably wouldn't qualify as prog.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 03:08
"Earth" (1975) is one of the most progressive
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 05:26
allright, so now all (heaven and) hell breaks loose , and suddenly all kinds of artists are open to discussion! Well, that's great!! http://www.vintageprog.com/ - http://www.vintageprog.com/  this website speciallizes in archiving ALL of 70's prog!! So go and take a look there, and then maybe open a topic where we can name all of the bands we miss in progarchives, maybe it will change something!!!------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 08:36
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Sounds like some people are disappointed with the site's lack of bands...so are you folks all completely familiar with all the bands that are already listed? Wow, I'm impressed. Doesn't really seem like anyone is having a discussion...just stating their opinions as inarguable fact, which is doubly amusing in that there's no clear consensus. Once again I'm thankful that ultimately these decisions aren't democratic. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 08:46
| Of course! I can't see why not?!?! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 10:24
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TBWART: Here's Something that Might Intersest You! http://www.progressiverock.com/band.asp?sLink_Name=vangelis - http://www.progressiverock.com/band.asp?sLink_Name=vangelis
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 11:59
Cool!! Thanks, I allready know that site, but Vangelis seems to disappear in obscurity, he doesn't even have an own website for as far as I know! And as fas as the discussion is concerned, progarchives is truly great!! But as stated by me before, I think it's main focus should be expansion within the limits of prog, and therefore the consisting number and reach of bands and musical styles is of no interest. Offcourse this is no fact, just an assumption ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 03:12
| Well, he got added... |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 03:56
| And so did JM Jarre.... |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 04:37
Great! VANGELIS is added!  |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 08:52
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next Cluster, DOM, Schicke Fuhrs & Froeling, Klaus
Schulze, Michael Rother, Neuronium and I can leave you guys alone!
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 15:59
I guess VICTORY IS MINE       ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:54
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Well he dosen't fit anywhere else! This is cool...
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Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:19
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If you like 70's progressive electronica and have a good Stereo, try the Spiral album on high volume... ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |