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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Topic: Free Jazz Posted: May 06 2008 at 04:05 |
Is there anything better? I nearly cut my right hand off chopping the celery for the Mrs.
Give me squonk!
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darkshade
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: May 06 2008 at 15:04 |
i can only listen to so much free jazz in one shot. i feel fatigued after listening to something like Ascensions or something... it's great though, and i understand the artists' intentions.
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Toaster Mantis
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
Posted: May 06 2008 at 15:50 |
Jazz is a genre I find more enjoyable to perform than listen to. No, really, I've played jazz clarinet myself but I've rarely listened to "pure" jazz anywhere as much as I listen to jazz-inspired rock.
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: May 06 2008 at 16:09 |
I just listened to The Shape of Jazz to Come by Ornette Coleman. Such a brilliant album.
Also love Coltrane and Zorn. I need more, though, for sure.
Best direction jazz ever went. EDIT: for anyone who hasn't heard it, the CD of Zorn rearranging Coleman's pieces (Spy Vs. Spy) is *really* good. Edited by Pnoom! - May 06 2008 at 16:10 |
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: May 06 2008 at 16:36 |
When the demon is at your door In the morning it won't be there no more Any major dude will tell you Have you ever seen a squonk's tears? Well, look at mine Nothing's better than guitarist/chauffeur Sonny Sharrock. I'm currently obsessed. Bill Laswell's (love the Arcana album) really a true hero for diggin' up all these geniuses in the 80's and 90's. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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electricsilence
Forum Groupie Joined: October 13 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 78 |
Posted: May 06 2008 at 17:32 |
Listen to spiritual unity by Albert Ayler, but only do so if you already are a jazz listener, free jazz is a very difficult genre to appreciate, but think about it this way, if Coltrane played free jazz, it can't be that bad.
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All I am saying is give Pez a chance.
www.pezapesta.com.ar http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3307 |
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BroSpence
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 00:50 |
Yeah its pretty great.
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mithrandir
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 25 2006 Location: New Mexico Status: Offline Points: 933 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 02:10 |
sure why not, when the mood strikes Art Ensemble of Chicago is the flavor I usually prefer, also the battery of Cecil Taylor softens my gray matter for the better!
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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 06:37 |
He's superb, inne. Nurse With Wound list staple as could well be 'Arthur Doyle Plus Four'. Jesus Christ monkey balls, God knows who introduced me to them
ps is that Haco in yer avatar?
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 06:42 |
Yes! Lovely Haco! How come you never introduced me to her? I had to find her all by myself.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 06:55 |
I find her overly pretentious to be honest. Come on chaps, give me squonk!
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 07:12 |
You don't like After Dinner (Don't know the solostuff)? Being an artist and all, I guess I'm too pretentious myself to notice.
What's give me sqounk? And what were you playing when you nearly chopped you're hand off? You'll be in for a shock if you haven't heard Herbie Mann Stone Flute with Sonny Sharrock. Got the vinyl for 2.50$ on ebay! Quite free and supersublime. How do you like Sharrock's albums with his screaming wife? Black Woman is currently on my desert island list. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 07:22 |
He's quite the looker!
Everything Sonny Sharrock goes down a treat. Was playing some unholy mix of Borbeto and Anal Magic and Arthur Doyle Plus Four. Jeez, my ears...
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: May 07 2008 at 07:37 |
You're way ahead of me with this free stuff. Don't really know any of those, except for a couple of random tracks by Arthur, including the fantastic Ancestor.
I haven't even seen the Anal Magic-flick from '94. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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darkshade
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: May 08 2008 at 03:49 |
Miles' "Lost" Quintet is very free jazz to my ears, not to mention serious psychedelic jazz-rock.
MAYBE the best lineup he ever had................. Edited by darkshade - May 08 2008 at 03:50 |
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Visitor13
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
Posted: May 09 2008 at 04:57 |
A really awesome free jazz blog here, including downloadable interviews and presentations of new releases:
http://www.tfjhp.blogspot.com/ And I really don't agree that free jazz is a difficult genre to appreciate (ok, maybe with the exception of the really extreme stuff like Borbetomagus - which I guess is more like acoustic Noise than free jazz - or some Zorn) Is this thread also meant to include non-jazz based free impro, like the late, great Derek Bailey or the AMM? |
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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Posted: May 09 2008 at 05:03 |
Yeah man, stick anything on here. And cheers for the blog tip
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Yukorin
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
Posted: May 09 2008 at 05:09 |
A B Negative
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: May 09 2008 at 11:55 |
I just got hold of Waves From Albert Ayler by Mount Everest Trio, and Karyobin by Spontaneous Music Ensemble - great stuff!
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Intruder
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 13 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2165 |
Posted: May 09 2008 at 20:25 |
Miles never got entirely sucked into that free jazz abyss....Miles was really into form, space, texture.....I know there are some moments from the overly ripe period of his post-quintet period, albums like Agatha and Pangea or on some looser jams around the time of On the Corner, but I feel that was more he and the band spreading out a "scorched Earth" atmosphere, that Miles was intending to communicate through chaos a message of where he felt society/music/politics was heading....it really is heavy stuff, as tough to listen to at times as the Ayler, late Coltrane, Coleman records of the sixties.
I can handle those Japanese double albums from Miles, but pure free jazz still has too much of the "yank on the elephant's tail" sound....all formless screech that DOES at times communicate the aching soul of the artists, but it's just too much.....like watching the Sorrow and the Pity over and over....just too much pain and nothing to groove on....all work and no play.
And, Herbie Mann is the polar opposite of free jazz.....everything he ever recorded is candy for the ears, in mostly a good way....some of the stuff was a little too marshmallowy.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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