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The Whistler 
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:18 |
Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, BLACK SABBATH. Got the debut. And, yeah, I was VERY underwealmed.
Because, to be perfectly honest, I don't really hear anything original about this album. It's the culmination of what Jethro Tull and Deep Purple were doing a couple years earlier. Only, you know, with about half the talent and catchy melodies. And what riffs DO lodge themselves in my brain sound kind of...familiar...
You know, like my favorite song off the album, that thing with "N.I.B." Where do I know that riff from?
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:39 |
so, what you are telling us here is that Black Sabbath debut sounds to you like the culmination of Shades Of DP, The Book Of Taliesyn and This Was???!!!???!!!???
and that you can actually - well, apart from maybe Blue Cheer - find a band in 1970 sounding so heavy as Sabbath?
and that the infamous N.I.B riff was until then so overplayed by the rest of the scene?
see, there's another reason for not including these kind of bands... there's not even a SINGLE person in the metal community that would ever bash this particular album...
forgive me, my friend, it's your opinion and i absolutely respect it but how would you feel if a metalhead bashed... i don't know, TAAB for instance.... no hard feelings, ok? 
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The Whistler
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:51 |
None taken, but I DO like my classic metal (and, hey, I'm seriously in Iron Maiden's pocket at this point), but I DON'T hear anything that wasn't already grounded on Led Zep II.
The sound is a little heavier, perhaps, but that's just because it's fuzzier than Led Zep; you can get the same experience from a live Cream album.
Of course, there was that whole Satan thing. That was pretty new.
Edited by The Whistler - April 06 2008 at 01:55
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toolis
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:21 |
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^now, that i accept...Zeps and Cream also set some groundrules in the metal game... and, let's not forget that overall Iommi is a blues rock guitarist too, much as Page, Clapton and Blackmore are...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
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The Whistler
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:29 |
 toolis wrote:
^now, that i accept...Zeps and Cream also set some groundrules in the metal game... and, let's not forget that overall Iommi is a blues rock guitarist too, much as Page, Clapton and Blackmore are... |
Oh yeah, especially on that album.
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 04:49 |
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It wasn't so much the "zomg original!11!!1!" album as it was a large-scale realization of the metal style and ideology.
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 04:58 |
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NIB for me...
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 06:56 |
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I'll be the first to vote for The Wizard. Best Sabbath song in my opinion, could be because it was the first thing by them I ever heard. Got to love the harmonica.
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 07:18 |
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N.I.B for me!
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 11:12 |
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This is an amazing album that was unique and groundbreaking at the same time.I mean these guys created heavy metal.DEEP PURPLE wasn't doing anything even remotely as good as this until "In Rock" came out the same year. Sure a lot of the songs were blues influenced like what LED ZEPPELIN was doing,but this was bringing in the subject of hell and satan,it was like horror movie music.Who was doing that along with the heavy as hell sound? Now if you had a poll choice of "Just one,how can i choose(they're all brilliant) i'd pick that one.
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Posted: April 07 2008 at 11:40 |
Sorry whistler but I totally disagree with your opinion...BS is something very new in the scene,at that time.
Not Zep,nor Purple had played anything like them!
P.S What's wrong with the riff in NIB???
The Whistler wrote:
Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, BLACK SABBATH. Got the debut. And, yeah, I was VERY underwealmed.
Because, to be perfectly honest, I don't really hear anything original about this album. It's the culmination of what Jethro Tull and Deep Purple were doing a couple years earlier. Only, you know, with about half the talent and catchy melodies. And what riffs DO lodge themselves in my brain sound kind of...familiar...
You know, like my favorite song off the album, that thing with "N.I.B." Where do I know that riff from? |
Edited by Okocha - April 07 2008 at 11:40
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 00:35 |
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WHAT IS THIS......THAT STANDS BEFOOORRRRRE ME?
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:34 |
I'm not too big of a fan of this album either, but I recognize the importance and the influence. "Black Sabbath" and "N.I.B." are my favorite songs from it. This album is vastly influential to doom metal, also. 
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 06:29 |
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N.I.B.
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 07:39 |
The Whistler wrote:
Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, BLACK SABBATH. Got the debut. And, yeah, I was VERY underwealmed.
Because, to be perfectly honest, I don't really hear anything original about this album. It's the culmination of what Jethro Tull and Deep Purple were doing a couple years earlier. Only, you know, with about half the talent and catchy melodies. And what riffs DO lodge themselves in my brain sound kind of...familiar |
Always good to see constructive criticism of a landmark album which has influenced countless bands for the last 38 years.
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 09:01 |
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My vote goes to the N.I.B.
Perhaps debut wasn't too groundbreaking (twas more heavy blues than metal), but the other early albumsalbums certainly are!
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 09:46 |
There was a lot more going on in this record that Zeppelin had not already done than some people realise.
The song Black Sabbath features one of the landmark and most important riffs in Heavy Metal history, surely (the riff beginning at 4:36).
I wouldn't consider any of the other songs on the album heavy metal as such, but the title track metal riff was the one that truly put metal on the map.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 15:21 |
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^ Plus, that whole song is based upon Diabolus in Musica. If that isn't metal, I don't know what is!!! \m/
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:37 |
Oh no, no, OH PLEASE GOD HELP ME!!!! 
/Master Of Reality and Vol 4 are better
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Posted: April 09 2008 at 21:56 |
BroSpence wrote:
WHAT IS THIS......THAT STANDS BEFOOORRRRRE ME?
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They came into their own on Paranoid though.
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