Black Sabbath, on Black Sabbath, by Black Sabbath
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Topic: Black Sabbath, on Black Sabbath, by Black Sabbath
Posted By: The Whistler
Subject: Black Sabbath, on Black Sabbath, by Black Sabbath
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:18
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Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, BLACK SABBATH. Got the debut. And, yeah, I was VERY underwealmed.
Because, to be perfectly honest, I don't really hear anything original about this album. It's the culmination of what Jethro Tull and Deep Purple were doing a couple years earlier. Only, you know, with about half the talent and catchy melodies. And what riffs DO lodge themselves in my brain sound kind of...familiar...
You know, like my favorite song off the album, that thing with "N.I.B." Where do I know that riff from? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:39
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so, what you are telling us here is that Black Sabbath debut sounds to you like the culmination of Shades Of DP, The Book Of Taliesyn and This Was???!!!???!!!??? and that you can actually - well, apart from maybe Blue Cheer - find a band in 1970 sounding so heavy as Sabbath? and that the infamous N.I.B riff was until then so overplayed by the rest of the scene? see, there's another reason for not including these kind of bands... there's not even a SINGLE person in the metal community that would ever bash this particular album... forgive me, my friend, it's your opinion and i absolutely respect it but how would you feel if a metalhead bashed... i don't know, TAAB for instance.... no hard feelings, ok?  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:51
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None taken, but I DO like my classic metal (and, hey, I'm seriously in Iron Maiden's pocket at this point), but I DON'T hear anything that wasn't already grounded on Led Zep II.
The sound is a little heavier, perhaps, but that's just because it's fuzzier than Led Zep; you can get the same experience from a live Cream album.
Of course, there was that whole Satan thing. That was pretty new. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:21
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^now, that i accept...Zeps and Cream also set some groundrules in the metal game... and, let's not forget that overall Iommi is a blues rock guitarist too, much as Page, Clapton and Blackmore are... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:29
Oh yeah, especially on that album. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
toolis wrote:Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 04:49
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It wasn't so much the "zomg original!11!!1!" album as it was a large-scale realization of the metal style and ideology.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 04:58
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NIB for me... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 06:56
| I'll be the first to vote for The Wizard. Best Sabbath song in my opinion, could be because it was the first thing by them I ever heard. Got to love the harmonica. |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 07:18
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N.I.B for me!
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 11:12
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This is an amazing album that was unique and groundbreaking at the same time.I mean these guys created heavy metal.DEEP PURPLE wasn't doing anything even remotely as good as this until "In Rock" came out the same year. Sure a lot of the songs were blues influenced like what LED ZEPPELIN was doing,but this was bringing in the subject of hell and satan,it was like horror movie music.Who was doing that along with the heavy as hell sound? Now if you had a poll choice of "Just one,how can i choose(they're all brilliant) i'd pick that one. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: April 07 2008 at 11:40
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Sorry whistler but I totally disagree with your opinion...BS is something very new in the scene,at that time. Not Zep,nor Purple had played anything like them! P.S What's wrong with the riff in NIB???
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 00:35
| WHAT IS THIS......THAT STANDS BEFOOORRRRRE ME? |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:34
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I'm not too big of a fan of this album either, but I recognize the importance and the influence. "Black Sabbath" and "N.I.B." are my favorite songs from it. This album is vastly influential to doom metal, also.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: AShowOfHands
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 06:29
| N.I.B. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 07:39
Always good to see constructive criticism of a landmark album which has influenced countless bands for the last 38 years. ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 09:01
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My vote goes to the N.I.B. Perhaps debut wasn't too groundbreaking (twas more heavy blues than metal), but the other early albumsalbums certainly are! ------------- |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 09:46
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There was a lot more going on in this record that Zeppelin had not already done than some people realise.
The song Black Sabbath features one of the landmark and most important riffs in Heavy Metal history, surely (the riff beginning at 4:36).
I wouldn't consider any of the other songs on the album heavy metal as such, but the title track metal riff was the one that truly put metal on the map.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 15:21
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^ Plus, that whole song is based upon Diabolus in Musica. If that isn't metal, I don't know what is!!! \m/
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:37
Oh no, no, OH PLEASE GOD HELP ME!!!! 
/Master Of Reality and Vol 4 are better
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 21:56
They came into their own on Paranoid though. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 02:06
Go take a listen to Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" (and Iron Butterfly's "Inna Gadda da Vida," for sh*ts and giggles), and tell me you don't hear it. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 02:31
Go listen to the 99% of the rock scene at that time and tell me that you don't listen to the same A minor pentatonic blues scale in EVERY SINGLE riff and solo.... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 02:34
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No, but dude, it's like, the exact same notes! ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 03:27
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Hardly. Anyway, it's based on blues so it's all going to sound the same anyway...
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 04:08
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it's like Man On The Silver Mountain riff.. uses the same notes cause it's on the same scale.. the epitomy of rock... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: KrakAtack
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 04:25
Supernaut running through my head tonight............
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Posted By: jme
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 17:40
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favorite song? after forever.
honorable mention: hand of doom, which seems pretty indicitive of the whole doom genre. also: NIB, warpigs, iron man, paranoid. the dio "mod rules" period was kinda cool. but, i am more of a fan of the first 3-4 albums, early ozzy sab. i am not much of a fan of solo ozz anymore, though i like randy rhodes. i like studying his gear, and i would love to have that white tolex marshall he had! also, he was a fan of the glory days of mxr (pre-dunlop!). and mxr has made the best sounding pedals i have ever heard. i STILL have yet to hear chorus that sounds as good as the microchorus!). (sorry, i geeked. didnt mean to spaz out on gear again!). ------------- "gravity: it's what's for dinner!" |
Posted By: jme
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 17:43
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i also like some of the neo-doom bands. trouble (if i can even call them "neo" anymore, as they started in the late 70s!). queens of the stoneage are kinda cool. ------------- "gravity: it's what's for dinner!" |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 06:36
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There are only five notes in the pentatonic scale so there's a good chance music based on this scale will sound similar to other pentatonic-based music. Have you heard how close Purple's Black Night sounds to (We Ain't Got) Nothin' Yet by The Blues Magoos? ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 22:06
| I'd say Crazy World of Arthur Brown had the 'Hell' thing down pat way before Sabbath, and better as well. But I recently picked up the Black Box set (first 8 albums) and am in the process of re-evaluating my previously held opinion of the band. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 01:36
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Black Sabbath, the band never was more frightening. Plus its fun to say Black Sabbath by Black Sabbth of off Black Sabbth. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |