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    Posted: April 02 2008 at 23:24

This is a poll to see how everyone feels about genres.

The good side about genres is that we can immediately pick out the kind of bands that appeal to us
The bad side is that it doesnt encourage us to explore other bands outside of our
preferred genres, a lot of proggers "Know what they like and like what they know", so they stick to a few genres and stop exploring the others
 
So, there are 4 choices in this poll
 
1  We  put all the genres under one genre, simply "Progressive Rock" (United we stand, divided we fall!)
    Maybe this option could stengthen the prog community
2  We reduce the genres , for example Symphonic and Neo will fall under one genre. Prog Metal will be   just  what it is, Progressive Metal, without having other sub genres.
3  Keep it as it is now (Don´t add another genre!)
4  Keep adding more and more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 23:27
I'd like to see a new genre label for Progressive Pop, personally (would mainly come from Crossover and Prog Related). I like having bands organized and divided into different sounds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 23:28
If people are close minded changing it will not affect their judgement. If anything, if you put all in one cathegory the reaction will definitly be more negative than possitive.

Having said that, I think most prog fans are more open minded than other type of listeners out there, so why make it such a big deal?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 00:23
It's fine the way it is; if we add any more genres, we risk scaring newbies, and it was because of the amazing cataloguing system on this site that I like the bands that I do. Keep it the same, or even go back to how it was last year
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 00:28
I'm an organization freak so I'm tempted to say MORE GENRES. But I know that last time (when art and prog metal were split) I felt a bit threatened but eventually got used to it.

I'm going to be boring and say leave it as is! I like it right now. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 00:40
I find the assumption that it "doesn't encourage us to explore bands outside our preferred genres" to be baseless and a little bizarre, I think it insults the intelligence of many listeners, and that it would make even less sense to put Progressive Electronic artists or Jazz Fusion under the same umbrella as Symphonic, Folk and Eclectic
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 01:53
I didn't vote as I would like to list a new option. How about a few of the old ones and keep some new ones?...I think Art rock worked better than eclectic prog, however I like the Heavy and Extreme differentiation on prog metal.
But it all works well!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 02:02
More couldn't hurt, I remember when Prog metal consisted of 1000's...and you couldn't find anything but Dream Theater, Opeth, Pain of Salvation and Shadow Gallery in the Top 50. More obscure bands seem to pop up that way and can be recommended easier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 02:48
I feel like while having more genres can make things nicely specific, there does seem to be a bit too many available.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 06:51
I'd like to see something along the lines of progressive pop. But coming up with a clear definition that would not set PA up for debating inclusion on any purveyor of intelligent pop music might be a little short of impossible.
I could see XTC, the Police, 10CC, and lesser known acts like Jellyfish as being perfect examples of PP (and I add that abbreviation to put out a perfect set up for those who might want to rant against said proposal) along with some of the more interesting New Wave bands. Maybe some of the Goth bands might fit , too. But we'd likely get into the old fight over whether PA will ever put a limit on what it will consider including. The danger being that it would go beyond a prog site to a general music site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 06:55

i'm an organized freak too and i wouldn't mind if the genres were more..

i just believe that, in general, many bands/artist don't belong in here at all.. but, that's a different story...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 07:11
If you want more genres then you should consider having a look at http://ratingfreak.com, my own little website. Why? Because I'm pretty sure that we won't see many more genres added here, and maybe that's a good thing.Smile

I voted "more genres", but I would only want more genres if there was a way to switch back to a simpler display. If you have many genres and you know how they are related to each other, you can combine them and "emulate" a more basic view. The opposite is not possible: if you only have basic genres in the database you cannot "emulate" more complex genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 07:11
Keep it as it is, I guess. Sometimes I feel we go over the top with with all the subgenres, but it's not really a big deal.

WaywardSon makes an interesting point, in that people may be put off exploring new bands if they have a pre concieved idea about a particular sub genre. I know I have tended towards Symphonic and Eclectic prog in the past, and have generally avoided prog metal, although I am dipping my toes at the moment, but only through reccomendations.

Sub genres can be useful in trying to demonstrate to non proggers that not all prog 'sounds the same' and that it's a broad spectrum, that may well cover something they like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 07:29
Speaking as a member of the forum, not as a member of Admin

Personally, I feel there are way too many genres; I almost took the first option in the poll - genres, sub-genres & further sub-division leads (in my experience over the last four & a half years) to constant argument, disagreement & occasionally bad feeling among forum members - believe me, I've seen so many arguments in this vein, I've lost count - I feel this is mostly down to individual perception of where a band or musician is 'coming from'; the same piece of music could be called 'eclectic', 'art rock', 'avant garde' or any other arbitrary title - everybody would be right & everybody wrong depending on your own perception and/or subjective opinion.

Of course - a single 'progressive rock' genre would be unworkable (although a lot simpler ), but this music we all like has been divided, subdivided & analysed too much (again, this is only my opinion) - do we really want PA to become like this:


(a small section of Progressive Metal's current division structure)

...or do we want the archive to be easier to use (and no, I'm not advocating dumbing the Archive down, just making it more user-friendly).

That's my two-penny's worth, anyway - feel free to come down on me like a ton of bricks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 07:58

ok, here comes a brick:

the only really harsh debates i've ever encountered (or participated in) were the ones about big bands: Iron Maiden, Blue Oyster Cult, Led Zeppelin, Metallica etc

apart from certain Admins that pushed for those names cause they were one of their fave bands the only real reason was, ADMITTEDLY their vast popularity...

not even polls about their inclusion or not counted... i remember specificely PA members voting against an inclusion and however a few days later, there they were, right in the PA... if that doesn't insult us, what does?

conclusively, that gives me the right to think that all those genres MUST exist in order to fit all those popular bands in, otherwise if there only were one prog rock genre and not these prog related and proto prog genres, where, oh so proudly, would you put them?

i don't remember any serious debate concerning the rest of the genres not even about eclectic and crossover or the metal genre division, whatsoever...

Edited by toolis - April 05 2008 at 02:04
-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...



-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:05
^ no serious debate about the metal genre division ... apart from the 100+ pages of discussion that is.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:06

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Edited by Ghost Rider - April 03 2008 at 08:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:12
Is this discussion about to take a nasty turn..?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:16
I hope not,or this thread will be closed very quickly.Stern%20Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:29
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ no serious debate about the metal genre division ... apart from the 100+ pages of discussion that is.LOL



as i recall it was just a mild discussion and definitely not harsh, nothing compared to those i mentioned in my post...
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