Pick up artist?

So, i have recently read "the Game" by Neil Strauss, which is basically his story about how he went from a sligtly nerdy writer with no women to a master seducer who could get practically any woman he wanted (plus all the threesomes he could ever wish for) in a little more than a year. Strangly enough, despite the popularity of the book, there are still a whole community of these pick up artists out there, and most of the methods still work, so i was kinda wondering what y'all thought about this?

Maybe someone wants to confess to being a "seducer", maybe you think it's all bullsh*t and doesn't work, or maybe you just think it's immoral and wrong..

In any case, discuss! :)

Not all women are slaves to their primitive emotions, but the techniques used by the seduction community all strive to take that primitive part up for air and make her give in to it.

Not every guy can be an alpha male, but those who are are definitely gonna have more success with women, work, and almost every social situation imaginable. Alpha is not only about taking space, it is about knowing WHEN to take your space, and to then be able to do so.

Do you have a girlfriend, Novalis? If you do, do you think that she would be able to fall for one of the so called "pick up artists"? :)

I have one of those at my work, real pick up master... a bit dangerous, if you ask me, not only in terms of chances of getting robbed, temporarily kidnaped for money, diseases, etc., but also dangerous for the soul. I never had problems finding someone to be interested in, but hunting women as if they were extra bonus of a twisted video game... well, the world is diverse...

Meh, this is just silly.

I've seen my female friend sleep around and it didn't do her any good at all.  She's got a wonderful boyfriend now and she's a far better person for it too.

One partner at a time and no silly one-night stands.

Now, flirting is fine, if you're single, but one should only really do that if you're not going to sleep with them, or you plan to seriously get in a relationship with them.

Evans wrote: jimmy_row wrote: I like the general ideas that these guys talk about: learning confidence, humor...holding your head up.  I've read quite a few of these things here and there, and became much better at non-verbal communication.  It's not what you say, but more importantly how you say it + body language.   The only thing that bothers me is when these fellows with really big ego's say that you should never be "nice" or go out of your way to do considerate things for women (example, Eben Pagan calls this "wussy behavior")...they don't take into account that all people are different and respond, react differently (...to particular "techniques", is what I would say if I was trying waaay too hard).  If I want to forego the big-balls act and be nice to someone, that's what I'm damn-well gonna do.   Anyway, I haven't read The Game, but I've read some his other stuff, it's pretty darned good. Well, i suppose a lot of it is because if you want to be a pick up artist and really get into it, you end up going out with so many women that if you were to buy them all dinner or drinks, you need to be really loaded with cash. But yeah, most of them also claim that you should NEVER buy a woman a drink in a bar, because while they may think you're nice, they'll never RESPECT you for it. You can be nice to them all you want, but if you go for the 10's, you should know that they are really used to people being nice to them. You don't stick out, they have dozens of guys every night being nice to them, so when someone aproaches them with nothing but self-confidence and humour, that catches their attention far more. :) Or course, this only applies for the first few times you meet someone, so longer relationships need a far thicker book to work :)

yea...that was probably my biggest problem for a long time.  When I talk about being "nice" I mean this after getting to know each other after maybe 3 or 4 dates...to me that doesn't mean buying her a bunch of stuff to try and win approval with $$$...it's more about my actions. 

Geck0 wrote: micky wrote: seducer? ... how about being  seduced  Quite so, it's nice to be seduced on occasions too. Plus it seems most men don't like foreplay.  I bet Micky's a foreplay guy though.

*spills Arizona Black and White Iced Tea with Ginseng and honey in lap*

micky wrote: Geck0 wrote: micky wrote: seducer? ... how about being  seduced  Quite so, it's nice to be seduced on occasions too. Plus it seems most men don't like foreplay.  I bet Micky's a foreplay guy though. *spills Arizona Black and White Iced Tea with Ginseng and honey in lap*

Let's hope you had your trousers (pants to you) on, otherwise you may not got any of the above.

In my youth some of my best friends were been "pick-up artists" - I guess they needed a quiet nerdy guy to make them look good for their plans to work . It was always amusing to watch these guys in action, seeing apparently intelligent girls go all ga-ga for these Lotharios as they trotted out some of the most cringe-worthy lines in history, but there was always an underlying feeling of pathos about it. For the thing that struck me is that when you caught them with their guard down they were quite lonely, insecure people who preyed on those insecurities in others, which is ultimately, very sad. In later life they went from relationship to relationship, never really finding happiness for more than a few months at a time - then when their looks faded, they just became bitter, begrudging the happiness of others.

Geck0 wrote: micky wrote: seducer? ... how about being  seduced  Quite so, it's nice to be seduced on occasions too. Plus it seems most men don't like foreplay.  I bet Micky's a foreplay guy though.

Claiming the Fifth Amendment on this one....

jimmy_row wrote: Evans wrote: jimmy_row wrote: I like the general ideas that these guys talk about: learning confidence, humor...holding your head up.  I've read quite a few of these things here and there, and became much better at non-verbal communication.  It's not what you say, but more importantly how you say it + body language.   The only thing that bothers me is when these fellows with really big ego's say that you should never be "nice" or go out of your way to do considerate things for women (example, Eben Pagan calls this "wussy behavior")...they don't take into account that all people are different and respond, react differently (...to particular "techniques", is what I would say if I was trying waaay too hard).  If I want to forego the big-balls act and be nice to someone, that's what I'm damn-well gonna do.   Anyway, I haven't read The Game, but I've read some his other stuff, it's pretty darned good. Well, i suppose a lot of it is because if you want to be a pick up artist and really get into it, you end up going out with so many women that if you were to buy them all dinner or drinks, you need to be really loaded with cash. But yeah, most of them also claim that you should NEVER buy a woman a drink in a bar, because while they may think you're nice, they'll never RESPECT you for it. You can be nice to them all you want, but if you go for the 10's, you should know that they are really used to people being nice to them. You don't stick out, they have dozens of guys every night being nice to them, so when someone aproaches them with nothing but self-confidence and humour, that catches their attention far more. :) Or course, this only applies for the first few times you meet someone, so longer relationships need a far thicker book to work :) yea...that was probably my biggest problem for a long time.  When I talk about being "nice" I mean this after getting to know each other after maybe 3 or 4 dates...to me that doesn't mean buying her a bunch of stuff to try and win approval with $$$...it's more about my actions.  We have to be careful with the "rating" system (c'mon, theyr'e not prog albums ), I hear people talking about meeting "10s", "9s" etc, it just reduces it to a shallow game of judging women only on looks...There are plenty of 10s who are snobby brats (it is kinda fun to 'put them in their place' though) while a "7" or "8" may have a great personality...I try to pick up on the chemistry rather than thinking "woa, this chick is hhhhot!", and in the end they notice that you're deeper than those other "nice" guys who try to manipulate with gifts and complements.

That's the whole point, not trying to manipulate them with presents. :)
I think it's very naive and silly so say "oh, just be yourself, it's WRONG to play games" when it is very obvious that girls themselves play games all the time. They're just better at it. Have you ever talked to a girl and suddenly she points to another guy and tells you how hot she thinks he is? Why do you think she does that? Because she thinks you're just her friend? No, she wants to test you, see how you react, if you tell her "naah.. not that much", she'll get that you're really insecure and she'll lose interest. Learning those tricks and knowing a few of your own, how is that wrong?

You say she'll notice how you're deeper than the guys who go all "omg, breasts!" (by the way, in pick up terminology, it's "HB10", not just 10.. :) ) and while that is true, that will not end up getting you laid/into a relationship with her. She'll just call you every night for hours for advice on how to get this guy who she TOTALLY has a crush on.

Most so called pick up artists say that sure, they entered it for the girls, but what they found was so much more, they learned a lot about themselves, the world and, of course, women.