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Cluster One
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Topic: The Lamb vs The Wall Posted: March 24 2005 at 04:12 |
The Lamb vs The Wall - Which is the 'Mother' of All Concept Albums?
I voted for The Lamb, what with the raven flying away with the castrated member and all, how could I not?
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Chris S
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 04:46 |
The Lamb for it's pure originality, integration of all instruments and a vocal dynamic and narration unbeatable in the last whenever....The Wall is excellent but ages whereas The Lamb is timeless and never dates.
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:00 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:13 |
Voted Lamb.
Still listen to tracks off the Lamb regularly. The Wall is a good album, but lacks those moments of beauty the Lamb has, and can be alittle despairing.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:14 |
I vote for 'Lamb lies down' only because i feel the title track single from the 'Wall' albums completely puts me off the mood.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:18 |
I prefer the Who's Quadrophrenia, but between those two... I guess I sort of like the Wall more.
Roger Waters and Peter Gabriel are both seriously talented lyricists... the best that prog has to offer... if you ignore the fact Waters isn't really prog and Gabriel left the scene many years ago.
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Richardw
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:24 |
'The Lamb'. I have never liked 'The Wall'.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:29 |
The Wall!!!!!!!
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Metropolis
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:12 |
Don't know The Lamb ( i know lots of
other genesis stuff), but find The Wall too depressing to take in one
listen, hmm, i think ill go track down a copy of The Lamb and get back
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:21 |
It was a toughie - I voted other: Queensryche - Mind Crime is very much a favourite. I listento it often and the more I hear it the more I am impressed. Live Crime is better still.
and I add in Yes - Close to the Edge and Tales from Topographic Oceans.
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richardh
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:23 |
Lamb has some brilliant songs but too many not so great bits that add nothing IMO.The Wall is excellent all the way through...although for greatest double concept album my preference is Aphdrodite's Child '666'
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:35 |
I think The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is about schizophrenia, the same way The Wall is about manic depresion and borderline behavior.
Quadrophrenia is about Multiple Personality Disorder, Tommy involves psychosomaticism, Operation: Mindcrime has that part at the end where he convinces himself that he didn't really love Sister Mary, (I personally think he didn't in the first place, but that's me) Close to the Edge and Tales from Topographic Oceans don't involve mental illness OR even a storyline, but the lyrics appear quite trippy. 'A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace and rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace' (Yes, I'm well aware that Jon Anderson knew what he was talking about) Aqualung is about a poor homeless guy.
My point: The best rock operas don't involve aliens or magic.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:40 |
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:09 |
I'm voting "The Wall". There's no guitar solos in "The Lamb" that can compare with what Dave Gilmour does on 'The Wall' I can also understand the concept of 'The Wall', whether its depressing or not. Actually I think "The Lamb" is suppose to be depressing also.
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threefates
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:14 |
I voted the Wall also. Nothing Genesis ever did compared to a what David Gilmour just does on Comfortably Numb...
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:26 |
I¡ll stick to the Lamb vs. Wall - I voted for the Genesis epic because it comprises better musical material, better overall performances, less ups-and-downs, a more accomplished sense of drama in the instrumental parts and theatrical sensitiveness in the vocal parts, a stronger attitude, a more bizarre storyline and a more intelectually accomplished concept behind it, better lyrics, and a less corny happy ending. Yes, Gilmour is a great guitarist, but Hackett is more skilfull, more inventive and has more finesse... in a word, greater... but this is not the point.
Regards.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:05 |
FuzzyDude wrote:
Quadrophrenia is about Multiple Personality Disorder
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UMMMM... NO!! Although Quadrophenia does have some of those aspects, Jimmy's (main character) multiple personalities make up the themes of the album. The album is actually about a teenager in the 60's who doesn't fit in with any group, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't fit in. And the rest is the story of his troubles, and how he tries to make his situation better.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:12 |
Hmmmmmm...and I thought Dark Side was the mother of all concept albums?...
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:14 |
I only lied the first part of the Lamb, (first side of the first album, than it starts getting boring)
The Wall however I like in it's entirety.
but neither one is close to a masterpiece IMO.
Marillion's Misplaced Childhood is as close as a concept album can get to being a masterpiece.
best concept albums are Sergeant pepper, and Captain Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:20 |
Cygnus X-1,
I'm sorry I misspoke, but what I meant is, the band was using the disorder as context, not just as the main idea. I agree, it is about Jimmy trying to find his place.
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